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In interviews with NPR, industry officials were unable to explain how they planned to reach a 100% recycling rate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An NPR investigative \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled\">report\u003c/a> found in 2020 that industry officials misled the public about the recyclability of plastic even though their own reports showed they knew as early as the 1970s and 1980s that plastic could not be economically recycled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The American Chemistry Council, an industry lobby group, did not respond to NPR's request for comment on the Greenpeace report.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Environmentalists and lawmakers in some states are now pushing for legislation that bans single use plastics, and for \"bottle bills\" which pay customers to bring back their plastic bottles. The bills have led to successful recycling rates for plastic bottles in places like Oregon and Michigan, but have faced steep resistance from plastic and oil industry lobbyists.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The real solution is to switch to systems of reuse and refill,\" Ramsden said. \"We are at a decision point on plastic pollution. It is time for corporations to turn off the plastic tap.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After years of embracing plastic recycling, many environmental groups say they hope the public will finally see plastic for what they say it is — trash — and that people will ask themselves if there is something else they could be using instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2022 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Recycling+plastic+is+practically+impossible+%E2%80%93+and+the+problem+is+getting+worse&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","disqusIdentifier":"11930040 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11930040","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/10/24/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worse/","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":859,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":20},"modified":1666656086,"excerpt":"A new report from Greenpeace found that people may be putting plastic into recycling bins — but almost none of it is actually being recycled. Meanwhile, plastic production is ramping up. 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That number is expected to drop further as more plastic is produced.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Greenpeace found that no plastic — not even soda bottles, one of the most prolific items thrown into recycling bins — meets the threshold to be called \"recyclable\" according to \u003ca href=\"https://ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/topics/plastics/overview\">standards\u003c/a> set by the Ellen MacArthur Foundation New Plastic Economy Initiative. Plastic must have a recycling rate of 30% to reach that standard; no plastic has ever been recycled and reused close to that rate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"More plastic is being produced, and an even smaller percentage of it is being recycled,\" says Lisa Ramsden, senior plastic campaigner for Greenpeace USA. \"The crisis just gets worse and worse, and without drastic change will continue to worsen, as the industry plans to triple plastic production by 2050.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waste management experts say the problem with plastic is that it is expensive to collect and sort. There are now thousands of different types of plastic, and none of them can be melted down together. Plastic also degrades after one or two uses. Greenpeace found the more plastic is reused the more toxic it becomes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>New plastic, on the other hand, is cheap and easy to produce. The result is that plastic trash has few markets — a reality the public has not wanted to hear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Trent Carpenter, the general manager of Southern Oregon Sanitation, says when they told customers a couple years ago that they could no longer take any plastic trash other than soda bottles and jugs — like milk containers and detergent bottles — people were upset. They wanted to put their strawberry containers, bags, yogurt cups and all manner of plastic trash in their recycling bin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We had to re-educate individuals that a great deal of that material is ending up in a landfill,\" Carpenter said. \"It's not going to a recycling facility and being recycled. It's going to a recycling facility and being landfilled someplace else because [you] can't do anything with that material.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That message has been difficult for the public to absorb with so many different bins in public spaces, and their own communities telling them to put their plastic in recycling containers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Carpenter says they wanted to be transparent with their customers and tell them the truth, unlike companies that continue to tell customers that plastic, such as bags and containers, is being turned into new things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Politically it's easier to just say 'Gosh, we're going to take everything and we think we can get it recycled,' and then look the other way,\" Carpenter said of the other companies. \"That's greenwashing at its best.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'The crisis just gets worse and worse, and without drastic change will continue to worsen, as the industry plans to triple plastic production by 2050.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Lisa Ramsden, senior plastic campaigner, Greenpeace USA","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Greenpeace found a couple facilities are trying to reprocess cups and containers — sometimes called \"number 5s\" because of the markings on the containers. But the numbers are low. While 52 percent of recycling facilities in the U.S. accept that kind of plastic, the report found less than 5% of it is actually repurposed — and the rest is put into a landfill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The low reprocessing rates are at odds with plans from the oil and gas industry. Industry lobbyists say they plan to recycle every piece of plastic they make into something new by 2040. In interviews with NPR, industry officials were unable to explain how they planned to reach a 100% recycling rate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An NPR investigative \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled\">report\u003c/a> found in 2020 that industry officials misled the public about the recyclability of plastic even though their own reports showed they knew as early as the 1970s and 1980s that plastic could not be economically recycled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The American Chemistry Council, an industry lobby group, did not respond to NPR's request for comment on the Greenpeace report.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Environmentalists and lawmakers in some states are now pushing for legislation that bans single use plastics, and for \"bottle bills\" which pay customers to bring back their plastic bottles. The bills have led to successful recycling rates for plastic bottles in places like Oregon and Michigan, but have faced steep resistance from plastic and oil industry lobbyists.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The real solution is to switch to systems of reuse and refill,\" Ramsden said. \"We are at a decision point on plastic pollution. It is time for corporations to turn off the plastic tap.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After years of embracing plastic recycling, many environmental groups say they hope the public will finally see plastic for what they say it is — trash — and that people will ask themselves if there is something else they could be using instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2022 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Recycling+plastic+is+practically+impossible+%E2%80%93+and+the+problem+is+getting+worse&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11930040/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worse","authors":["byline_news_11930040"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_255","news_4265","news_25428","news_2920","news_382"],"affiliates":["news_253"],"featImg":"news_11930041","label":"news_253"},"news_11898724":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11898724","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11898724","score":null,"sort":[1639181768000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"news","term":7052},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1639181768,"format":"video","disqusTitle":"California’s Plastic Problem | KQED Newsroom Special","title":"California’s Plastic Problem | KQED Newsroom Special","headTitle":"KQED Newsroom | KQED News","content":"\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Plastic is a big part of our everyday lives: It keeps our food fresh, has made all kinds of advanced medical equipment possible, and is a key component in a broad range of innovations from cars to computers, from phones to contact lenses.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But new research is finding plastic in places you wouldn’t expect: in our water, in salt, and in the placentas of pregnant women. Tiny particles of microplastics are in the air we breathe and in the waters of the San Francisco Bay.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Efforts to recycle plastic to keep it out of landfills are hampered by the sheer variety and volume of plastic produced. 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Ben Allen would grab the newspaper from outside his Santa Monica home, he’d pull off the plastic sleeve bearing the triangular recycling symbol and throw it where he thought it belonged: in a blue recycling bin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Allen soon learned that he was \"wishcycling\" — carefully sorting items with the recycling symbol, only to discover they weren’t getting recycled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It is \u003cem>technically\u003c/em> recyclable under the best of conditions at 1,000 degrees in some lab in San Marino. But ... they’re not recycled in the real world,\" the Democrat said at an Assembly Natural Resources Committee hearing in June.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This scenario isn’t unique. Despite the best intentions of Californians who diligently try to recycle yogurt cups, berry containers and other packaging, it turns out that \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/202120220SB343_Senate-Floor-Analyses.pdf\">at least 85% of single-use plastics\u003c/a> in the state do not actually get recycled. Instead, they wind up in the landfill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Americans find recycling ... more confusing than building IKEA furniture, doing their taxes, playing the stock market or understanding their spouse,\" Allen said, citing a study by the Consumer Brands Association. This confusion inspired Allen to pen a bill that buckles down on \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB343\">what kinds of plastic packaging can tout the triangular symbol known as “chasing arrows.”\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If you’re not allowed to call an item recyclable because of our truth in environmental advertising laws, then you shouldn’t be able to put the ‘chasing arrows’ symbol on your product,\" Allen said in an interview.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Allen’s legislation is part of \u003ca href=\"https://sd26.senate.ca.gov/news/2021-03-09-ca-lawmakers-propose-package-new-laws-tackling-plastic-waste-reduction\">a bigger 12-bill package targeted at reducing plastics and waste\u003c/a> that lawmakers are considering this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters believe it will make what is — and isn’t — commonly recyclable more understandable to Californians. Opponents in the plastic industry believe the bill could pile waste in the landfill and raise packaging costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://e.infogram.com/_/tftuxXCFKAtX17bLlC8x?src=embed\" title=\"plastic recycling codes\" width=\"800\" height=\"1400\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"border:none;\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far, the bill has advanced smoothly with support from the Legislature’s majority Democrats. But many other \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/environment/2020/09/california-legislature-plastics/\">plastic reduction bills have failed in recent years in the face of industry opposition\u003c/a>. Allen’s past attempts at sweeping legislation that would ban non-recyclable plastic packaging died, even as environmentalists — and \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/search?lang=en&q=SB%2054%20(from%3Akellyslater)&src=typed_query\">a superstar surfer\u003c/a> — urged its passage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amid these repeated legislative failures at the Capitol, environmentalists have pushed a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/initiative-and-referendum-status/eligible-statewide-initiative-measures\">plastic recycling initiative that is eligible for the November 2022 statewide ballot\u003c/a>. It would \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2021/07/prohibited-gun-owners/\">levy a new 1-cent tax on producers of single-use plastic\u003c/a>, and require single-use plastic packaging, containers, and utensils to be reusable, recyclable or compostable by 2030. The tax money would buoy recycling and environmental programs. The logic is: If you produce plastic items, you need to give back to the environment somehow, too, due to the damage plastic causes — from bags floating in oceans to \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/environment/2021/03/california-microplastics-drinking-water/\">microplastics lurking in food and water\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Allen’s bill now moving through the Legislature is a much narrower, less ambitious way to tackle the recycling dilemma. Instead of \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/projects/california-recycling-plastic-packaging-product-waste-policy/\">a massive economic overhaul\u003c/a>, it sets up boundaries on what “recyclable” means — starting with the labels consumers see on everyday items.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"State Sen. Ben Allen, D-Santa Monica \"]'Americans find recycling ... more confusing than building IKEA furniture, doing their taxes, playing the stock market or understanding their spouse.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It targets the number framed within the triangular arrows symbol — the resin identification code that ranges from 1 to 7 depending on the type of plastic. Only those with a 1 or 2 (plastic bottles and jugs) are widely recycled in the U.S. Whether items coded 3 through 7 actually get recycled depends on local waste management practices. Though some cities, including Sacramento and San Francisco, do recycle items coded 3 to 7, the bill would at first let only products with codes 1 and 2 (such as soda bottles and milk jugs) bear the chasing arrows symbol. It would be eliminated from yogurt cups, take-out containers and lots of other plastics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s a problem for the plastic industry because it would make packaging in California different from what’s required in many other states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It \"would force companies to be out of compliance with other state laws ... mandating there be California-only packaging products,\" said Lauren Aguilar, who represents the Flexible Packaging Association of industry manufacturers and suppliers and AMERIPEN, which includes companies such as Campbell’s, McDonald’s and Kellogg’s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"Related Stories\" tag=\"plastics\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the hearing in June, Assemblymember Kelly Seyarto pointed out that if California moves forward with a different policy than other states, it would come at a price. California-specific packaging could be expensive, exacerbating the Golden State’s already high cost of living.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That cost is borne especially by communities that are predominantly poor, and therefore don’t really have the resources to keep spending more and more and more on their food supplies,\" the Republican from Murrieta said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But communities are already paying the price, environmentalists argue. Local garbage collection rates are escalating because non-recyclables and recyclables are mixed together in the blue bins, \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/projects/california-recycling-plastics-trash-waste-crisis/\">requiring more sifting and sorting at recycling plants\u003c/a> and slowing down the process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Allen learned his newspaper sleeve with the triangular symbol was causing the same problem. \"I thought, oh, this is recyclable — but actually I was making the situation worse while trying to do the right thing,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In response to complaints from the plastic industry, Allen changed the bill to give companies an additional 15 months to comply and lobby other states to follow California’s approach.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That delay, however, isn’t enough to get the plastic industry’s support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation=\"Shannon Crawford, Plastics Industry Association\"]'Although unintended, (the bill) will result in less recycling and more materials going to landfill.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Although unintended, (the bill) will result in less recycling and more materials going to landfill,\" Plastics Industry Association lobbyist Shannon Crawford said in her testimony.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democratic Assemblymember Cristina Garcia of Bell Gardens rebutted the argument, saying \"most of this stuff is already being landfilled or being burned or being shipped out, and we’re pretending we’re recycling out there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill lets CalRecycle decide which materials are \"recyclable\" and can carry the triangular symbol. It allows plastic producers to try to prove their materials are recyclable so they can get added to the approved list.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"What is recyclable is not static,” said Nick Lapis, a lobbyist for environmental advocacy group Californians Against Waste.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another option — not included in the bill, but on one environmentalist’s wish list: Put a label that says \"trash can\" on everything that’s not really recycled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That would be very clear to the public, and they wouldn’t put it in the recycling bin,\" said Heidi Sanborn, executive director at the National Stewardship Action Council.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill will face its final votes when lawmakers reconvene after their summer break on Aug. 16.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","disqusIdentifier":"11883400 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11883400","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2021/08/02/bill-aims-to-clarify-which-plastic-products-can-display-recycling-symbol/","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":true,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":1193,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":["https://e.infogram.com/_/tftuxXCFKAtX17bLlC8x"],"paragraphCount":33},"modified":1627940522,"excerpt":"At least 85% of single-use plastic items don’t get recycled, even if they carry the familiar triangular symbol. A California bill would restrict which plastics can bear the mark.","headData":{"twImgId":"","twTitle":"","ogTitle":"","ogImgId":"","twDescription":"","description":"At least 85% of single-use plastic items don’t get recycled, even if they carry the familiar triangular symbol. A California bill would restrict which plastics can bear the mark.","title":"That Recycling Symbol Doesn’t Always Mean What You Think It Does | KQED","ogDescription":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"That Recycling Symbol Doesn’t Always Mean What You Think It Does","datePublished":"2021-08-02T12:21:57-07:00","dateModified":"2021-08-02T14:42:02-07:00","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"True","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"bill-aims-to-clarify-which-plastic-products-can-display-recycling-symbol","status":"publish","sourceUrl":"https://calmatters.org/politics/2021/08/california-recycling-single-use-plastic/","nprByline":"Marissa Garcia\u003cbr>CalMatters","source":"CalMatters","path":"/news/11883400/bill-aims-to-clarify-which-plastic-products-can-display-recycling-symbol","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Every morning, when state Sen. Ben Allen would grab the newspaper from outside his Santa Monica home, he’d pull off the plastic sleeve bearing the triangular recycling symbol and throw it where he thought it belonged: in a blue recycling bin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Allen soon learned that he was \"wishcycling\" — carefully sorting items with the recycling symbol, only to discover they weren’t getting recycled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It is \u003cem>technically\u003c/em> recyclable under the best of conditions at 1,000 degrees in some lab in San Marino. But ... they’re not recycled in the real world,\" the Democrat said at an Assembly Natural Resources Committee hearing in June.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This scenario isn’t unique. Despite the best intentions of Californians who diligently try to recycle yogurt cups, berry containers and other packaging, it turns out that \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/202120220SB343_Senate-Floor-Analyses.pdf\">at least 85% of single-use plastics\u003c/a> in the state do not actually get recycled. Instead, they wind up in the landfill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Americans find recycling ... more confusing than building IKEA furniture, doing their taxes, playing the stock market or understanding their spouse,\" Allen said, citing a study by the Consumer Brands Association. This confusion inspired Allen to pen a bill that buckles down on \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB343\">what kinds of plastic packaging can tout the triangular symbol known as “chasing arrows.”\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If you’re not allowed to call an item recyclable because of our truth in environmental advertising laws, then you shouldn’t be able to put the ‘chasing arrows’ symbol on your product,\" Allen said in an interview.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Allen’s legislation is part of \u003ca href=\"https://sd26.senate.ca.gov/news/2021-03-09-ca-lawmakers-propose-package-new-laws-tackling-plastic-waste-reduction\">a bigger 12-bill package targeted at reducing plastics and waste\u003c/a> that lawmakers are considering this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters believe it will make what is — and isn’t — commonly recyclable more understandable to Californians. Opponents in the plastic industry believe the bill could pile waste in the landfill and raise packaging costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://e.infogram.com/_/tftuxXCFKAtX17bLlC8x?src=embed\" title=\"plastic recycling codes\" width=\"800\" height=\"1400\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"border:none;\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far, the bill has advanced smoothly with support from the Legislature’s majority Democrats. But many other \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/environment/2020/09/california-legislature-plastics/\">plastic reduction bills have failed in recent years in the face of industry opposition\u003c/a>. Allen’s past attempts at sweeping legislation that would ban non-recyclable plastic packaging died, even as environmentalists — and \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/search?lang=en&q=SB%2054%20(from%3Akellyslater)&src=typed_query\">a superstar surfer\u003c/a> — urged its passage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amid these repeated legislative failures at the Capitol, environmentalists have pushed a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/initiative-and-referendum-status/eligible-statewide-initiative-measures\">plastic recycling initiative that is eligible for the November 2022 statewide ballot\u003c/a>. It would \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2021/07/prohibited-gun-owners/\">levy a new 1-cent tax on producers of single-use plastic\u003c/a>, and require single-use plastic packaging, containers, and utensils to be reusable, recyclable or compostable by 2030. The tax money would buoy recycling and environmental programs. The logic is: If you produce plastic items, you need to give back to the environment somehow, too, due to the damage plastic causes — from bags floating in oceans to \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/environment/2021/03/california-microplastics-drinking-water/\">microplastics lurking in food and water\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Allen’s bill now moving through the Legislature is a much narrower, less ambitious way to tackle the recycling dilemma. Instead of \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/projects/california-recycling-plastic-packaging-product-waste-policy/\">a massive economic overhaul\u003c/a>, it sets up boundaries on what “recyclable” means — starting with the labels consumers see on everyday items.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'Americans find recycling ... more confusing than building IKEA furniture, doing their taxes, playing the stock market or understanding their spouse.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"State Sen. Ben Allen, D-Santa Monica ","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It targets the number framed within the triangular arrows symbol — the resin identification code that ranges from 1 to 7 depending on the type of plastic. Only those with a 1 or 2 (plastic bottles and jugs) are widely recycled in the U.S. Whether items coded 3 through 7 actually get recycled depends on local waste management practices. Though some cities, including Sacramento and San Francisco, do recycle items coded 3 to 7, the bill would at first let only products with codes 1 and 2 (such as soda bottles and milk jugs) bear the chasing arrows symbol. It would be eliminated from yogurt cups, take-out containers and lots of other plastics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s a problem for the plastic industry because it would make packaging in California different from what’s required in many other states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It \"would force companies to be out of compliance with other state laws ... mandating there be California-only packaging products,\" said Lauren Aguilar, who represents the Flexible Packaging Association of industry manufacturers and suppliers and AMERIPEN, which includes companies such as Campbell’s, McDonald’s and Kellogg’s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"Related Stories ","tag":"plastics"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the hearing in June, Assemblymember Kelly Seyarto pointed out that if California moves forward with a different policy than other states, it would come at a price. California-specific packaging could be expensive, exacerbating the Golden State’s already high cost of living.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That cost is borne especially by communities that are predominantly poor, and therefore don’t really have the resources to keep spending more and more and more on their food supplies,\" the Republican from Murrieta said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But communities are already paying the price, environmentalists argue. Local garbage collection rates are escalating because non-recyclables and recyclables are mixed together in the blue bins, \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/projects/california-recycling-plastics-trash-waste-crisis/\">requiring more sifting and sorting at recycling plants\u003c/a> and slowing down the process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Allen learned his newspaper sleeve with the triangular symbol was causing the same problem. \"I thought, oh, this is recyclable — but actually I was making the situation worse while trying to do the right thing,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In response to complaints from the plastic industry, Allen changed the bill to give companies an additional 15 months to comply and lobby other states to follow California’s approach.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That delay, however, isn’t enough to get the plastic industry’s support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'Although unintended, (the bill) will result in less recycling and more materials going to landfill.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Shannon Crawford, Plastics Industry Association","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Although unintended, (the bill) will result in less recycling and more materials going to landfill,\" Plastics Industry Association lobbyist Shannon Crawford said in her testimony.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democratic Assemblymember Cristina Garcia of Bell Gardens rebutted the argument, saying \"most of this stuff is already being landfilled or being burned or being shipped out, and we’re pretending we’re recycling out there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill lets CalRecycle decide which materials are \"recyclable\" and can carry the triangular symbol. It allows plastic producers to try to prove their materials are recyclable so they can get added to the approved list.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"What is recyclable is not static,” said Nick Lapis, a lobbyist for environmental advocacy group Californians Against Waste.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another option — not included in the bill, but on one environmentalist’s wish list: Put a label that says \"trash can\" on everything that’s not really recycled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That would be very clear to the public, and they wouldn’t put it in the recycling bin,\" said Heidi Sanborn, executive director at the National Stewardship Action Council.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill will face its final votes when lawmakers reconvene after their summer break on Aug. 16.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11883400/bill-aims-to-clarify-which-plastic-products-can-display-recycling-symbol","authors":["byline_news_11883400"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8"],"tags":["news_21648","news_25428","news_382"],"featImg":"news_11812524","label":"source_news_11883400"},"news_11779913":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11779913","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11779913","score":null,"sort":[1571058038000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1571058038,"format":"standard","disqusTitle":"California Governor Vetoes Ambitious Bottle Recycling Bill, Citing 'Burdensome' Amendments","title":"California Governor Vetoes Ambitious Bottle Recycling Bill, Citing 'Burdensome' Amendments","headTitle":"KQED News","content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated Oct. 15\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed a \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB792\">bill\u003c/a> Saturday that would have required manufacturers in California to incorporate recycled plastic into new bottles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The measure would have mandated that plastic beverage bottles — like those used for water, soda and fruit drinks — contain a minimum of 50% recycled content by 2030, a goal that some recycling advocates said was the most ambitious in the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The requirements would have been phased in gradually and applied only to containers covered by the \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer\">California Refund Value\u003c/a> program, which reimburses consumers 5 to 10 cents for each aluminum, glass or plastic container brought back for recycling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Authored by Assemblyman Phil Ting, D-San Francisco, Assembly Bill 792 passed both state houses by wide margins. Ting expressed disappointment at the governor’s veto.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Setting the highest minimum recycled content standards for plastic beverage containers in the entire world would have sent signals to the recycling market that California is serious about reducing plastic waste in our environment,” Ting said in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related recycling coverage\" tag=\"plastics\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In explaining his veto, Newsom wrote that late amendments introduced a “costly, burdensome process” to the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The waiver petitions allowed under this bill would put the burden on the state to prove to manufacturers that their products can meet recycling goals, rather than making clear that manufacturers have the responsibility to create products that can meet these goals,” Newsom wrote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom was likely referring to an amendment allowing manufacturers to appeal to an administrative judge if they fell short of the required goals, said Mark Murray, executive director of Californians Against Waste, an environmental group that lobbied for the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Murray said the provision had been added at the behest of industry lobbying group American Beverage Association and called it a “more complicated and, frankly, convoluted enforcement mechanism” that could take authority away from the state-run agency CalRecycle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I understand the concerns that the administration had with the bill,” Murray said. “I am absolutely confident that between the author and the administration we are going to be able to get it right next year.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For its part, the American Beverage Association also expressed dismay at the veto.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We’re disappointed given that this bill balanced the need for more recycled content with the realities of the marketplace to reach the goal of improving the recycling and reducing of plastic in California,\" said William Dermody, a spokesman for the association. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Currently, most bottle manufacturers don’t incorporate recycled plastic into their products and instead use “virgin” plastic resin, a byproduct of fossil fuel production.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Recycled content is competing with virgin plastics, and virgin plastics are tied very closely to the price of natural gas, which is very low right now,” said Nick Lapis, director of advocacy for Californians Against Waste. “Instead of being valuable on their own, [recycled plastics] are competing against this horribly destructive, fossil fuel-based material.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Californians have largely embraced recycling: The most common plastic beverage bottles, which are made of #1 plastic — also known as PET or polyethylene terephthalate — were recycled at a rate of 74% in 2018. That’s 9.2 \u003cem>billion\u003c/em> plastic bottles that made their way back to recycling centers last year alone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The dirty secret that has increasingly gained attention, however, is that a lot of what people were putting into their curbside blue bins or taking back to recycling centers wasn’t actually getting reused. Much of it was shipped to China, until the country stopped accepting imports of the rest of the world’s plastic waste.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When they made the decision in 2018, Chinese officials cited the lack of a robust market, meaning not enough buyers to take recycled plastic and reuse it. Too many processors in China were illegally dumping, burning or putting into landfills the plastic they couldn’t unload.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now policymakers and the waste and recycling industry are working to find or create domestic uses for recycled materials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have enough infrastructure,” Lapis said. “What we need is a more consistent demand to support that infrastructure.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/bevdistman/resources/2018resinrpt.pdf\">voluntary filings\u003c/a> by the state’s beverage industry in 2018, plastic bottles contained 15% recycled content overall. But that’s an average number: at the high end of the spectrum are Nestlé Waters North America at 37% and Pepsi Cola Bottling Group at 22%, while most companies, like Fiji Water or Walmart, reported using no recycled content at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The veto of AB 792 comes on the heels of another disappointment to the recycling industry: \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1948001/how-the-landmark-plastics-recycling-bill-fell-apart\">the stalling\u003c/a> of companion bills AB 1080 and SB 54, which also aimed to hold manufacturers more accountable for the life cycle of the plastic products they produce.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ting said he will take the governor’s concerns into consideration when crafting another bill next year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I will continue to work on this issue in the coming year and hope that we can get this across the finish line,\" Ting said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For advocates, another bill might be a chance for stronger recycling rules, said Californians Against Waste’s Murray.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The question for me is, if we bring this bill back next year, do we settle for just 50% recycled content or should we be thinking of 60%, 70% recycled content?” Murray said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Oct. 15: This story was updated to include comment from the American Beverage Association\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","disqusIdentifier":"11779913 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11779913","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2019/10/14/california-governor-vetoes-recycled-plastic-bottle-bill-citing-burdensome-amendments/","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":929,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":30},"modified":1571183336,"excerpt":"The law would have required that plastic water and soda bottles contain 50% recycled content by 2030, which some recycling advocates say was the most ambitious goal in the nation.","headData":{"twImgId":"","twTitle":"","ogTitle":"","ogImgId":"","twDescription":"","description":"The law would have required that plastic water and soda bottles contain 50% recycled content by 2030, which some recycling advocates say was the most ambitious goal in the nation.","title":"California Governor Vetoes Ambitious Bottle Recycling Bill, Citing 'Burdensome' Amendments | KQED","ogDescription":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"California Governor Vetoes Ambitious Bottle Recycling Bill, Citing 'Burdensome' Amendments","datePublished":"2019-10-14T06:00:38-07:00","dateModified":"2019-10-15T16:48:56-07:00","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"True","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"california-governor-vetoes-recycled-plastic-bottle-bill-citing-burdensome-amendments","status":"publish","path":"/news/11779913/california-governor-vetoes-recycled-plastic-bottle-bill-citing-burdensome-amendments","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated Oct. 15\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed a \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB792\">bill\u003c/a> Saturday that would have required manufacturers in California to incorporate recycled plastic into new bottles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The measure would have mandated that plastic beverage bottles — like those used for water, soda and fruit drinks — contain a minimum of 50% recycled content by 2030, a goal that some recycling advocates said was the most ambitious in the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The requirements would have been phased in gradually and applied only to containers covered by the \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer\">California Refund Value\u003c/a> program, which reimburses consumers 5 to 10 cents for each aluminum, glass or plastic container brought back for recycling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Authored by Assemblyman Phil Ting, D-San Francisco, Assembly Bill 792 passed both state houses by wide margins. Ting expressed disappointment at the governor’s veto.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Setting the highest minimum recycled content standards for plastic beverage containers in the entire world would have sent signals to the recycling market that California is serious about reducing plastic waste in our environment,” Ting said in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related recycling coverage ","tag":"plastics"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In explaining his veto, Newsom wrote that late amendments introduced a “costly, burdensome process” to the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The waiver petitions allowed under this bill would put the burden on the state to prove to manufacturers that their products can meet recycling goals, rather than making clear that manufacturers have the responsibility to create products that can meet these goals,” Newsom wrote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom was likely referring to an amendment allowing manufacturers to appeal to an administrative judge if they fell short of the required goals, said Mark Murray, executive director of Californians Against Waste, an environmental group that lobbied for the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Murray said the provision had been added at the behest of industry lobbying group American Beverage Association and called it a “more complicated and, frankly, convoluted enforcement mechanism” that could take authority away from the state-run agency CalRecycle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I understand the concerns that the administration had with the bill,” Murray said. “I am absolutely confident that between the author and the administration we are going to be able to get it right next year.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For its part, the American Beverage Association also expressed dismay at the veto.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We’re disappointed given that this bill balanced the need for more recycled content with the realities of the marketplace to reach the goal of improving the recycling and reducing of plastic in California,\" said William Dermody, a spokesman for the association. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Currently, most bottle manufacturers don’t incorporate recycled plastic into their products and instead use “virgin” plastic resin, a byproduct of fossil fuel production.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Recycled content is competing with virgin plastics, and virgin plastics are tied very closely to the price of natural gas, which is very low right now,” said Nick Lapis, director of advocacy for Californians Against Waste. “Instead of being valuable on their own, [recycled plastics] are competing against this horribly destructive, fossil fuel-based material.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Californians have largely embraced recycling: The most common plastic beverage bottles, which are made of #1 plastic — also known as PET or polyethylene terephthalate — were recycled at a rate of 74% in 2018. That’s 9.2 \u003cem>billion\u003c/em> plastic bottles that made their way back to recycling centers last year alone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The dirty secret that has increasingly gained attention, however, is that a lot of what people were putting into their curbside blue bins or taking back to recycling centers wasn’t actually getting reused. Much of it was shipped to China, until the country stopped accepting imports of the rest of the world’s plastic waste.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When they made the decision in 2018, Chinese officials cited the lack of a robust market, meaning not enough buyers to take recycled plastic and reuse it. Too many processors in China were illegally dumping, burning or putting into landfills the plastic they couldn’t unload.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now policymakers and the waste and recycling industry are working to find or create domestic uses for recycled materials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have enough infrastructure,” Lapis said. “What we need is a more consistent demand to support that infrastructure.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/bevdistman/resources/2018resinrpt.pdf\">voluntary filings\u003c/a> by the state’s beverage industry in 2018, plastic bottles contained 15% recycled content overall. But that’s an average number: at the high end of the spectrum are Nestlé Waters North America at 37% and Pepsi Cola Bottling Group at 22%, while most companies, like Fiji Water or Walmart, reported using no recycled content at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The veto of AB 792 comes on the heels of another disappointment to the recycling industry: \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1948001/how-the-landmark-plastics-recycling-bill-fell-apart\">the stalling\u003c/a> of companion bills AB 1080 and SB 54, which also aimed to hold manufacturers more accountable for the life cycle of the plastic products they produce.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ting said he will take the governor’s concerns into consideration when crafting another bill next year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I will continue to work on this issue in the coming year and hope that we can get this across the finish line,\" Ting said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For advocates, another bill might be a chance for stronger recycling rules, said Californians Against Waste’s Murray.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The question for me is, if we bring this bill back next year, do we settle for just 50% recycled content or should we be thinking of 60%, 70% recycled content?” Murray said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Oct. 15: This story was updated to include comment from the American Beverage Association\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11779913/california-governor-vetoes-recycled-plastic-bottle-bill-citing-burdensome-amendments","authors":["244"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8","news_356"],"tags":["news_19542","news_25428","news_24849","news_21647","news_382"],"featImg":"news_11779915","label":"news"},"news_11747798":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11747798","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11747798","score":null,"sort":[1558050139000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1558050139,"format":"standard","disqusTitle":"California Weighs How to Lighten Its Plastic Problem","title":"California Weighs How to Lighten Its Plastic Problem","headTitle":"KQED News","content":"\u003cp>A pair of ambitious bills currently making their way through the state legislature aim to stem the flood of plastic in stores, landfills and increasingly in the environment by placing aggressive new regulations on how plastics are manufactured and recycled in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB54\">Senate Bill 54\u003c/a> and its companion \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB1080\">Assembly Bill 1080\u003c/a> would require that manufacturers and retailers slash the amount of waste generated by single-use packaging and products by 75% over the next decade — and to do it by making their products recyclable or compostable, or to simply not make them in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=”right” citation=\"Martin Bourque, Ecology Center\"]\"For years, it was — collect all plastics in a really big blue bin and hope that somewhere in the land of rainbows and unicorns it’s all being sorted.\"[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bills target items that are typically used only once before being thrown away, like plastic forks, takeout food containers, or the packaging for everyday items like toothbrushes or toys. A lot of it can’t be recycled because of the type of plastic it’s made from or because it contains mixed materials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, who co-authored AB 1080, tweeted Thursday, “Plastic #pollution is a global crisis and #CAMustLead the nation in fighting against it,” after her bill passed the Assembly Appropriations Committee. SB 54 passed the Appropriations Committee on the Senate side, also on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/LorenaAD80/status/1129103098746552320\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An estimated 2.37 million tons of plastic material ended up in California landfills in 2017, according to the state agency CalRecycle. And the list of plastics in the dump is long and varied — cups and lids, trays for cookies or raw meat, bags for potato chips or bread, pouches for baby food or refillable soap, just to name a few.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our mission is to send almost nothing to landfill,” said Eric Potashner, Vice President of San Francisco’s waste management company, Recology, which is backing the legislation and gave input on its drafting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After achieving a 75% reduction in single-use plastic waste by 2030, the legislation would ramp up the goal even further: after 2030, all these types of products would need to be recyclable or compostable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The goals set forth in the bills are aggressive, and they would place more responsibility on the plastics industry to help account for the total lifecycle of their products. A separate bill written by state Assemblyman Phil Ting would \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11739302/a-future-with-100-recycled-beverage-bottles-a-new-state-bill-would-require-it\">require that beverage bottle manufacturers buy back recycled plastic\u003c/a> and use them in new bottles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside heroLink=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/plastic\" label=\"More Coverage on Plastic Waste\" postID=\"news_11745327,science_1941477,news_11739302\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But being recyclable and actually getting recycled aren’t the same thing, so the bills have a provision for that, too: Manufacturers would need to show that their goods are getting recycled at a rate that starts at 20% in 2022 and gradually increases to 75% in 2030.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those are also ambitious goals. Californians have embraced the recycling of beverage containers, thanks to the state’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer\">CRV program\u003c/a>, which offers cash incentives to return bottles and cans. An encouraging 88% of aluminum cans and around 70% of #1 and #2 plastic bottles (overall what most water and soda comes packaged in) are being recycled, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/rates/biannualrpt/janjunerpt.pdf\">state’s most recent report\u003c/a>. But the rates plummet for all other types of plastic: only 8% of #5 plastic, commonly used in yogurt containers, for example, makes its way back to recyclers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then there’s the question of whether there’s even a market for many types of recycled plastics. For anything besides #1 and #2 plastics, the answer is “not really,” according to Martin Bourque, executive director of Berkeley’s Ecology Center, which started the nation’s first curbside recycling program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For years, it was — collect all plastics in a really big blue bin and hope that somewhere in the land of rainbows and unicorns it’s all being sorted,” Bourque said. “The reality is much grittier.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Representatives of the plastics industry agree there are challenges in getting more plastics recycled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“One of the reasons why the recycling rate [of plastic] is lower is because there's not an end market to actually send a lot of the materials to,” said Shannon Crawford, Director of State Government Affairs for the Plastics Industry Association, which has registered its opposition to both bills. “There needs to be an increased investment in infrastructure in the state and increased investment in market development.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the bill could encourage the development of a more robust market for recycled plastic, the details of implementing the bill would fall to CalRecycle, officially known as the Department of Resources Recycling and Recovery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That lack of clarity is one reason why the American Chemistry Council is opposed to the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are not objecting to what they're trying to do in terms of getting more material out of landfill and into recycling and composting streams,” said Tim Shestek, senior director of state affairs for the Council. “We're opposed to the bill just because of so many open-ended, unanswered questions that are out there right now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shestek pointed at a number of plastic products that would be hard to replace, including medical equipment, diapers, feminine hygiene products, and even ball point pens. He said that food safety was also a concern, if the right type of plastic can’t be used to package certain foods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The American Chemistry Council hopes to work with legislators to refine the bill. “We're hoping to sit down between now and the end of the year to try to work something out that makes sense for recycling, for composting, for the environment, for manufacturers,” Shestek said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11747814\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11747814\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-800x626.jpg\" alt=\"Bales of #2 plastic, also known as High-density polyethylene or HDPE are generally seen used in laundry detergent bottles and milk jugs\" width=\"800\" height=\"626\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-800x626.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-160x125.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-1020x798.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-1200x939.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-1920x1502.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bales of #2 plastic, also known as high-density polyethylene or HDPE are generally seen used in laundry detergent bottles and milk jugs \u003ccite>(Recology)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Still, the time may be right in the court of public opinion. Support for reducing plastic waste is building, fueled by stark images of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1939310/nothing-but-nonstop-plastic-found-in-stomach-of-dead-whale\">whales with bellies filled with plastic\u003c/a> and mountains of plastic trash polluting poor communities in Asia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some enterprising companies are trying to cash in on the trend towards more sustainable packaging — a new startup called \u003ca href=\"https://www.wastedive.com/news/terracycle-promises-future-of-consumption-with-loop-reuse-system/546596/\">Loop\u003c/a> plans to offer name brand products in specially designed refillable packaging. Häagen-Dazs, Pantene and Clorox are among the companies that have signed up to partner with Loop, which is offering to let you \u003ca href=\"https://loopstore.com/\">reserve a spot\u003c/a> “in line” before the company has even launched.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Europe, you can try \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/04/29/london-marathons-method-reducing-plastic-bottles-edible-seaweed-pouches/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.59db3c504e54\">water pouches made out of seaweed\u003c/a> and soon \u003ca href=\"https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/body-shop-plastic-pollution-recycling-waste-india-a8907811.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue:%202019-05-10%20Waste%20Dive%20Newsletter%20%5Bissue:20835%5D&utm_term=Waste%20Dive\">bring empty bottles back to the Body Shop\u003c/a> in exchange for store coupons. And in San Francisco, entertainment venues like The Midway and The Fillmore are offering concertgoers\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11745327/bay-area-entertainment-venues-join-the-battle-against-plastic-waste\"> alternatives to plastic-bottled water\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The language of SB 54 and AB 1080 are essentially the same and were written in tandem to ease their parallel passage through both houses of the state Legislature. The bills now head to the Senate and Assembly floors for consideration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","disqusIdentifier":"11747798 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11747798","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2019/05/16/california-weighs-how-to-lighten-its-plastic-problem/","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":1222,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":27},"modified":1558472626,"excerpt":"California lawmakers are considering bills that would require all single-use plastic products be recyclable or compostable by 2030, and call on manufacturers to demonstrate their goods are getting recycled.","headData":{"twImgId":"","twTitle":"","ogTitle":"","ogImgId":"","twDescription":"","description":"California lawmakers are considering bills that would require all single-use plastic products be recyclable or compostable by 2030, and call on manufacturers to demonstrate their goods are getting recycled.","title":"California Weighs How to Lighten Its Plastic Problem | KQED","ogDescription":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"California Weighs How to Lighten Its Plastic Problem","datePublished":"2019-05-16T16:42:19-07:00","dateModified":"2019-05-21T14:03:46-07:00","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"True","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"california-weighs-how-to-lighten-its-plastic-problem","status":"publish","path":"/news/11747798/california-weighs-how-to-lighten-its-plastic-problem","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A pair of ambitious bills currently making their way through the state legislature aim to stem the flood of plastic in stores, landfills and increasingly in the environment by placing aggressive new regulations on how plastics are manufactured and recycled in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB54\">Senate Bill 54\u003c/a> and its companion \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB1080\">Assembly Bill 1080\u003c/a> would require that manufacturers and retailers slash the amount of waste generated by single-use packaging and products by 75% over the next decade — and to do it by making their products recyclable or compostable, or to simply not make them in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"\"For years, it was — collect all plastics in a really big blue bin and hope that somewhere in the land of rainbows and unicorns it’s all being sorted.\"","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"”right”","citation":"Martin Bourque, Ecology Center","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bills target items that are typically used only once before being thrown away, like plastic forks, takeout food containers, or the packaging for everyday items like toothbrushes or toys. A lot of it can’t be recycled because of the type of plastic it’s made from or because it contains mixed materials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, who co-authored AB 1080, tweeted Thursday, “Plastic #pollution is a global crisis and #CAMustLead the nation in fighting against it,” after her bill passed the Assembly Appropriations Committee. SB 54 passed the Appropriations Committee on the Senate side, also on Thursday.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1129103098746552320"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>An estimated 2.37 million tons of plastic material ended up in California landfills in 2017, according to the state agency CalRecycle. And the list of plastics in the dump is long and varied — cups and lids, trays for cookies or raw meat, bags for potato chips or bread, pouches for baby food or refillable soap, just to name a few.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our mission is to send almost nothing to landfill,” said Eric Potashner, Vice President of San Francisco’s waste management company, Recology, which is backing the legislation and gave input on its drafting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After achieving a 75% reduction in single-use plastic waste by 2030, the legislation would ramp up the goal even further: after 2030, all these types of products would need to be recyclable or compostable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The goals set forth in the bills are aggressive, and they would place more responsibility on the plastics industry to help account for the total lifecycle of their products. A separate bill written by state Assemblyman Phil Ting would \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11739302/a-future-with-100-recycled-beverage-bottles-a-new-state-bill-would-require-it\">require that beverage bottle manufacturers buy back recycled plastic\u003c/a> and use them in new bottles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"herolink":"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/plastic","label":"More Coverage on Plastic Waste ","postid":"news_11745327,science_1941477,news_11739302"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But being recyclable and actually getting recycled aren’t the same thing, so the bills have a provision for that, too: Manufacturers would need to show that their goods are getting recycled at a rate that starts at 20% in 2022 and gradually increases to 75% in 2030.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those are also ambitious goals. Californians have embraced the recycling of beverage containers, thanks to the state’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer\">CRV program\u003c/a>, which offers cash incentives to return bottles and cans. An encouraging 88% of aluminum cans and around 70% of #1 and #2 plastic bottles (overall what most water and soda comes packaged in) are being recycled, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/rates/biannualrpt/janjunerpt.pdf\">state’s most recent report\u003c/a>. But the rates plummet for all other types of plastic: only 8% of #5 plastic, commonly used in yogurt containers, for example, makes its way back to recyclers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then there’s the question of whether there’s even a market for many types of recycled plastics. For anything besides #1 and #2 plastics, the answer is “not really,” according to Martin Bourque, executive director of Berkeley’s Ecology Center, which started the nation’s first curbside recycling program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For years, it was — collect all plastics in a really big blue bin and hope that somewhere in the land of rainbows and unicorns it’s all being sorted,” Bourque said. “The reality is much grittier.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Representatives of the plastics industry agree there are challenges in getting more plastics recycled.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“One of the reasons why the recycling rate [of plastic] is lower is because there's not an end market to actually send a lot of the materials to,” said Shannon Crawford, Director of State Government Affairs for the Plastics Industry Association, which has registered its opposition to both bills. “There needs to be an increased investment in infrastructure in the state and increased investment in market development.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the bill could encourage the development of a more robust market for recycled plastic, the details of implementing the bill would fall to CalRecycle, officially known as the Department of Resources Recycling and Recovery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That lack of clarity is one reason why the American Chemistry Council is opposed to the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are not objecting to what they're trying to do in terms of getting more material out of landfill and into recycling and composting streams,” said Tim Shestek, senior director of state affairs for the Council. “We're opposed to the bill just because of so many open-ended, unanswered questions that are out there right now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shestek pointed at a number of plastic products that would be hard to replace, including medical equipment, diapers, feminine hygiene products, and even ball point pens. He said that food safety was also a concern, if the right type of plastic can’t be used to package certain foods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The American Chemistry Council hopes to work with legislators to refine the bill. “We're hoping to sit down between now and the end of the year to try to work something out that makes sense for recycling, for composting, for the environment, for manufacturers,” Shestek said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11747814\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11747814\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-800x626.jpg\" alt=\"Bales of #2 plastic, also known as High-density polyethylene or HDPE are generally seen used in laundry detergent bottles and milk jugs\" width=\"800\" height=\"626\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-800x626.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-160x125.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-1020x798.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-1200x939.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop-1920x1502.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/HDPE_crop.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bales of #2 plastic, also known as high-density polyethylene or HDPE are generally seen used in laundry detergent bottles and milk jugs \u003ccite>(Recology)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Still, the time may be right in the court of public opinion. Support for reducing plastic waste is building, fueled by stark images of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1939310/nothing-but-nonstop-plastic-found-in-stomach-of-dead-whale\">whales with bellies filled with plastic\u003c/a> and mountains of plastic trash polluting poor communities in Asia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some enterprising companies are trying to cash in on the trend towards more sustainable packaging — a new startup called \u003ca href=\"https://www.wastedive.com/news/terracycle-promises-future-of-consumption-with-loop-reuse-system/546596/\">Loop\u003c/a> plans to offer name brand products in specially designed refillable packaging. Häagen-Dazs, Pantene and Clorox are among the companies that have signed up to partner with Loop, which is offering to let you \u003ca href=\"https://loopstore.com/\">reserve a spot\u003c/a> “in line” before the company has even launched.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Europe, you can try \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/04/29/london-marathons-method-reducing-plastic-bottles-edible-seaweed-pouches/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.59db3c504e54\">water pouches made out of seaweed\u003c/a> and soon \u003ca href=\"https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/body-shop-plastic-pollution-recycling-waste-india-a8907811.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue:%202019-05-10%20Waste%20Dive%20Newsletter%20%5Bissue:20835%5D&utm_term=Waste%20Dive\">bring empty bottles back to the Body Shop\u003c/a> in exchange for store coupons. And in San Francisco, entertainment venues like The Midway and The Fillmore are offering concertgoers\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11745327/bay-area-entertainment-venues-join-the-battle-against-plastic-waste\"> alternatives to plastic-bottled water\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The language of SB 54 and AB 1080 are essentially the same and were written in tandem to ease their parallel passage through both houses of the state Legislature. The bills now head to the Senate and Assembly floors for consideration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11747798/california-weighs-how-to-lighten-its-plastic-problem","authors":["244"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8","news_13","news_356"],"tags":["news_25428","news_382"],"featImg":"news_11747803","label":"news"},"news_11745327":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11745327","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11745327","score":null,"sort":[1557838848000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1557838848,"format":"standard","disqusTitle":"Bay Area Entertainment Venues Join the Battle Against Plastic Waste","title":"Bay Area Entertainment Venues Join the Battle Against Plastic Waste","headTitle":"KQED News","content":"\u003cp>Attending a live music event is thirsty work. Audiences drink a lot of water, leaving thousands of empty disposable plastic water bottles behind at the end of the night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After years of shipping the mounting piles of bottles to recycling plants, some entertainment industry players, like \u003ca href=\"https://themidwaysf.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Midway\u003c/a>, a music venue and gallery space in San Francisco, are starting to take a different approach to dealing with plastic waste: It allows people to bring in and refill their own water bottles. And in January, it switched from selling water in single-use plastic bottles at $4 each to resealable aluminum bottles at $6.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move comes as the California Legislature is considering two bills aimed at drastically reducing plastic waste: \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB54\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Senate Bill 54\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB1080\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Assembly Bill 1080\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11745394\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11745394\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Kelsey Issel, art director at The Midway and its parent company, Non Plus Ultra\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-536x402.jpg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kelsey Issel, art director at The Midway and its parent company, Non Plus Ultra \u003ccite>(Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"We started to look at the numbers, and they were staggering,\" said Kelsey Issel, art program director of The Midway and its parent company, \u003ca href=\"https://nonplusultrainc.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Non Plus Ultra\u003c/a>. \"Around 25,000 water bottles just on New Year's Eve alone.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since ditching plastic, The Midway has cut its water bottle consumption by two-thirds, Issel said. She said plans are afoot to extend the plastic water sales ban to other Non Plus Ultra venues in San Francisco, such as \u003ca href=\"https://thesanfranciscomint.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the San Francisco Mint\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We're really noticing the dramatic reduction in waste,\" Issel said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11745390\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11745390\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"A wall of plastic products waiting to be shipped off at the Recology recycling plant on Pier 96 in San Francisco.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-536x402.jpg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A wall of plastic products waiting to be shipped off at the Recology recycling plant on Pier 96 in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>People use 500 billion plastic bottles a year, according to a 2017 packaging trends report by market research firm \u003ca href=\"https://go.euromonitor.com/00-EV-APAC2017-AUSPACK_Landing-Page.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Euromonitor International\u003c/a>. Along with plastic straws, clamshells and bags, they’re a huge environmental hazard. \u003ca href=\"https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/01/europe/sperm-whale-plastic-stomach-italy-scli-intl/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Stories of sea life washing up on beaches\u003c/a> around the world with plastics in their stomachs are becoming more commonplace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the recycling market for this material isn’t what it once was, now that China, which used to recycle about half of the world’s plastic, has slashed imports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When China said no more, it left countries and cities scrambling to figure out what they're going to do with all their plastics,\" said Robert Reed, spokesman for \u003ca href=\"https://www.recology.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Recology\u003c/a>, San Francisco's recycling company.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along with many forms of plastic, Recology also processes aluminum cans, which are easier to recycle than other beverage containers, Reed said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11745389\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11745389\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Recology spokesman Robert Reed poses at the Recology plant on Pier 96 in San Francisco. \" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-536x402.jpg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Recology spokesman Robert Reed poses at the Recology plant on Pier 96 in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"There’s a worldwide market for aluminum cans,\" Reed said. \"Very limited markets for the plastic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://thefillmore.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Fillmore\u003c/a>, another music venue in San Francisco, switched from plastic bottles to aluminum cans in early May. General manager Amie Bailey-Knobler is happy about the company's change, part of a larger environmental effort by its parent company, \u003ca href=\"https://www.livenation.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Live Nation.\u003c/a>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Fillmore is part of the \u003ca href=\"https://greenbusinessca.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">California Green Business Network, too\u003c/a>. Like The Midway, it allows patrons to bring in their own water bottles. The venue also provides filling stations and compostable cups for those who don't have their own bottles or want to buy a can of water at the bar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Bailey-Knobler said hard metal surfaces can be a safety hazard at some events.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Bands don't want canteens (metal water containers) or stuff like that in a crowd if there's a mosh pit kind of situation or something,\" Bailey-Knobler said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another issue is cost: Cans are more than four times the price of plastic bottles, Bailey-Knobler said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Fillmore, which is owned by a large entertainment corporation, said it can absorb the cost, but it's harder for a small local player like The Midway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11745396\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11745396\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Compostable cups at The Fillmore in San Francisco.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-536x402.jpg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups.jpg 2016w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Compostable cups at The Fillmore in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of The Fillmore)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"It's a significant loss,\" Issel said of her company's switch to aluminum containers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Non Plus Ultra is willing to take the hit because of its commitment to reducing waste, said Issel. She hopes profit margins will improve as more eco-friendly manufacturers enter the market to meet consumer demand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"\u003cb>\u003c/b>So we imagine that not only will the price go down, but it will also be easier for us to get,\" Issel said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Scott DeFife, vice president of government affairs for the \u003ca href=\"https://www.plasticsindustry.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Plastics Industry Association,\u003c/a> said his organization applauds these efforts to reduce unnecessary waste. The association also supported San Francisco's \u003ca href=\"https://sfenvironment.org/reduceplastic\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">plastic straw restrictions\u003c/a> that go into effect July 1.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We don't want to see this in the environment anymore than anyone else,\" said DeFife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, he said, more efficient systems are needed to process the debris that concertgoers leave behind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If you're going to have that many people using disposable packaging, you're going to need additional waste management infrastructure to capture all of the material,\" DeFife said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the cavernous Recology recycling plant on San Francisco’s waterfront, Robert Reed watched as a hailstorm of plastic bottles pelted down from the rafters into a giant metal cage below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There’s just dozens of them falling down every few seconds,\" Reed said. \"It gives you a sense of how fast they get consumed in San Francisco.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reed said recycling and composting continue to be important in the fight against the ever-growing piles of trash. But what’s even more important right now is reducing the overall waste footprint.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Do simple things so we don't make so much garbage,\" he said. \"Like buying produce loose at the farmers market instead of wrapped in Saran wrap at the store. And bringing your own bottle the next time you go hear live music.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","disqusIdentifier":"11745327 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11745327","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2019/05/14/bay-area-entertainment-venues-join-the-battle-against-plastic-waste/","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":959,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":30},"modified":1558050187,"excerpt":"The Midway and The Fillmore are among the few industry players to be spearheading a switch from single-use plastic water bottles to aluminum containers. 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Audiences drink a lot of water, leaving thousands of empty disposable plastic water bottles behind at the end of the night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After years of shipping the mounting piles of bottles to recycling plants, some entertainment industry players, like \u003ca href=\"https://themidwaysf.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Midway\u003c/a>, a music venue and gallery space in San Francisco, are starting to take a different approach to dealing with plastic waste: It allows people to bring in and refill their own water bottles. And in January, it switched from selling water in single-use plastic bottles at $4 each to resealable aluminum bottles at $6.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move comes as the California Legislature is considering two bills aimed at drastically reducing plastic waste: \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB54\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Senate Bill 54\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB1080\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Assembly Bill 1080\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11745394\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11745394\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Kelsey Issel, art director at The Midway and its parent company, Non Plus Ultra\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel-536x402.jpg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Kelsey-Issel.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kelsey Issel, art director at The Midway and its parent company, Non Plus Ultra \u003ccite>(Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"We started to look at the numbers, and they were staggering,\" said Kelsey Issel, art program director of The Midway and its parent company, \u003ca href=\"https://nonplusultrainc.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Non Plus Ultra\u003c/a>. \"Around 25,000 water bottles just on New Year's Eve alone.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since ditching plastic, The Midway has cut its water bottle consumption by two-thirds, Issel said. She said plans are afoot to extend the plastic water sales ban to other Non Plus Ultra venues in San Francisco, such as \u003ca href=\"https://thesanfranciscomint.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the San Francisco Mint\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We're really noticing the dramatic reduction in waste,\" Issel said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11745390\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11745390\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"A wall of plastic products waiting to be shipped off at the Recology recycling plant on Pier 96 in San Francisco.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2-536x402.jpg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-2.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A wall of plastic products waiting to be shipped off at the Recology recycling plant on Pier 96 in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>People use 500 billion plastic bottles a year, according to a 2017 packaging trends report by market research firm \u003ca href=\"https://go.euromonitor.com/00-EV-APAC2017-AUSPACK_Landing-Page.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Euromonitor International\u003c/a>. Along with plastic straws, clamshells and bags, they’re a huge environmental hazard. \u003ca href=\"https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/01/europe/sperm-whale-plastic-stomach-italy-scli-intl/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Stories of sea life washing up on beaches\u003c/a> around the world with plastics in their stomachs are becoming more commonplace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the recycling market for this material isn’t what it once was, now that China, which used to recycle about half of the world’s plastic, has slashed imports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When China said no more, it left countries and cities scrambling to figure out what they're going to do with all their plastics,\" said Robert Reed, spokesman for \u003ca href=\"https://www.recology.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Recology\u003c/a>, San Francisco's recycling company.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along with many forms of plastic, Recology also processes aluminum cans, which are easier to recycle than other beverage containers, Reed said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11745389\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11745389\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Recology spokesman Robert Reed poses at the Recology plant on Pier 96 in San Francisco. \" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed-536x402.jpg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Recology-3-Robert-Reed.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Recology spokesman Robert Reed poses at the Recology plant on Pier 96 in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"There’s a worldwide market for aluminum cans,\" Reed said. \"Very limited markets for the plastic.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://thefillmore.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Fillmore\u003c/a>, another music venue in San Francisco, switched from plastic bottles to aluminum cans in early May. General manager Amie Bailey-Knobler is happy about the company's change, part of a larger environmental effort by its parent company, \u003ca href=\"https://www.livenation.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Live Nation.\u003c/a>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Fillmore is part of the \u003ca href=\"https://greenbusinessca.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">California Green Business Network, too\u003c/a>. Like The Midway, it allows patrons to bring in their own water bottles. The venue also provides filling stations and compostable cups for those who don't have their own bottles or want to buy a can of water at the bar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Bailey-Knobler said hard metal surfaces can be a safety hazard at some events.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Bands don't want canteens (metal water containers) or stuff like that in a crowd if there's a mosh pit kind of situation or something,\" Bailey-Knobler said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another issue is cost: Cans are more than four times the price of plastic bottles, Bailey-Knobler said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Fillmore, which is owned by a large entertainment corporation, said it can absorb the cost, but it's harder for a small local player like The Midway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11745396\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11745396\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Compostable cups at The Fillmore in San Francisco.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1920x1440.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-632x474.jpg 632w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups-536x402.jpg 536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/05/Fillmore-compostable-cups.jpg 2016w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Compostable cups at The Fillmore in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of The Fillmore)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"It's a significant loss,\" Issel said of her company's switch to aluminum containers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Non Plus Ultra is willing to take the hit because of its commitment to reducing waste, said Issel. She hopes profit margins will improve as more eco-friendly manufacturers enter the market to meet consumer demand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"\u003cb>\u003c/b>So we imagine that not only will the price go down, but it will also be easier for us to get,\" Issel said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Scott DeFife, vice president of government affairs for the \u003ca href=\"https://www.plasticsindustry.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Plastics Industry Association,\u003c/a> said his organization applauds these efforts to reduce unnecessary waste. The association also supported San Francisco's \u003ca href=\"https://sfenvironment.org/reduceplastic\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">plastic straw restrictions\u003c/a> that go into effect July 1.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We don't want to see this in the environment anymore than anyone else,\" said DeFife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, he said, more efficient systems are needed to process the debris that concertgoers leave behind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If you're going to have that many people using disposable packaging, you're going to need additional waste management infrastructure to capture all of the material,\" DeFife said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the cavernous Recology recycling plant on San Francisco’s waterfront, Robert Reed watched as a hailstorm of plastic bottles pelted down from the rafters into a giant metal cage below.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There’s just dozens of them falling down every few seconds,\" Reed said. \"It gives you a sense of how fast they get consumed in San Francisco.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reed said recycling and composting continue to be important in the fight against the ever-growing piles of trash. But what’s even more important right now is reducing the overall waste footprint.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Do simple things so we don't make so much garbage,\" he said. \"Like buying produce loose at the farmers market instead of wrapped in Saran wrap at the store. And bringing your own bottle the next time you go hear live music.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11745327/bay-area-entertainment-venues-join-the-battle-against-plastic-waste","authors":["8608"],"categories":["news_223","news_19906","news_8","news_356"],"tags":["news_25428","news_24849","news_382"],"featImg":"news_11745391","label":"news"},"news_11739302":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11739302","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11739302","score":null,"sort":[1555027695000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"news","term":72},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1555027695,"format":"standard","disqusTitle":"A Future With 100% Recycled Beverage Bottles? A New State Bill Would Require It","title":"A Future With 100% Recycled Beverage Bottles? A New State Bill Would Require It","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","content":"\u003cp>State legislators are considering a bill that would hold plastic bottle manufacturers accountable for recycling and reusing their own products.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB792\">AB 792\u003c/a>, introduced by Assemblyman Phil Ting, D-San Francisco, would require plastic beverage containers in California to be made of at least 50% recycled content by 2025 and be 100% by 2035. The legislation would apply to bottles currently covered under the \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer\">California Redemption Value\u003c/a> program, including those used for soda, fruit drinks and water.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside heroLink=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/plastic\" label=\"Related Stories\" tag=\"plastic\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The overall goal is to really think about how we can utilize less plastic and how we can better recycle plastic,” Ting said. “We know right now, that by 2050, if we don’t do anything else we’ll actually have more plastic in the ocean than fish.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill passed the Assembly Natural Resources Committee on Monday by a vote of 8-1.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Californians used more than 12 billion plastic beverage bottles in 2017, according to the state agency CalRecycle. Bottles made out of PET plastic, also known as #1 plastic or polyethylene terephthalate, are the most commonly used and widely recycled, with more than \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/rates/biannualrpt/janjunerpt.pdf\">70% \u003c/a>of them processed annually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But even after all those plastic bottles are collected, cleaned and processed, there's no guarantee of a viable market for the recycled plastic. That’s one thing the bill's authors hope to address.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[Bottle manufacturers] are very fond of touting the recyclability of those bottles,” said Mark Murray, executive director of Californians Against Waste, a nonprofit environmental advocacy organization that supports the bill. “This legislation would compel them to put their money where their mouth is and buy the plastic back and use it to make new plastic bottles.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Coca-Cola revealed in March that it produces \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/14/coca-cola-admits-it-produces-3m-tonnes-of-plastic-packaging-a-year?CMP=share_btn_tw\">3 million tons of plastic packaging\u003c/a> every year — the equivalent of 200,000 bottles per minute. According to its latest filing with CalRecycle, only \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/bevdistman/resources/2018resinrpt.pdf\">9% of its soda bottles\u003c/a> currently include post-consumer recycled plastic. The company has \u003ca href=\"https://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/2017-packaging\">pledged\u003c/a> to make its bottles and cans out of at least 50% recycled materials by 2030.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, Danone, which owns Evian mineral water, has \u003ca href=\"https://www.danone.com/stories/articles-list/evian-transforms-approach-to-plastic.html\">pledged\u003c/a> to make all its plastic bottles from 100% recycled plastic by 2025. And according to Ting, California-based Naked Juice, which is owned by PepsiCo, already uses bottles with 100% recycled content.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, at a \u003ca href=\"https://www.assembly.ca.gov/media/assembly-natural-resources-committee-20190408/video\">hearing\u003c/a> before the Natural Resources Committee on Monday, representatives of the bottling and beverage industries expressed concerns with the legislation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We want to see recycled content,” said Fredericka McGee, head of California government affairs with the American Beverage Association. But, she added, the timeline proposed in the bill was too accelerated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The numbers that are outlined in AB 729 are simply not reachable,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'We know right now, that by 2050, if we don’t do anything else we’ll actually have more plastic in the ocean than fish.'\u003ccite>Assemblyman Phil Ting\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Dennis Albiani, a lobbyist for the Grocery Manufacturers Association, said that the law could have the unintended consequence of driving manufacturers away from using plastic in favor of materials that are even harder to recycle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What we don’t want to do is to [have] a regrettable substitution situation where you have things like this,” he said, holding up an empty container of boxed water.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He described that packaging as containing three different materials — paper, a plastic liner and a plastic cap. “This is a very unrecyclable package,” Albiani said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Richard Costa, director of sustainability at CarbonLite, one of California’s largest plastics recyclers, said the legislation is necessary to encourage manufacturers to use more recycled material.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We must set new standards to push industry to reutilize more,” Costa told the committee. “We are great at recycling. We need reutilization.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Currently the cost of recycling most bottles is greater than their scrap value, or the value of what the recycled plastic can be sold for, according to Murray of Californians Against Waste. Based on \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/bevdistman/resources/2018resinrpt.pdf\">reports filed voluntarily\u003c/a> by bottle manufacturers, he estimates that plastic beverage bottles sold today contain only about 15% recycled content.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AB 792 would hold those manufacturers more accountable, said Murray. “We need to create processing infrastructure and manufacturing infrastructure to close the loop on plastic packaging.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even with California’s high rates of recycling, more than 3 billion plastic bottles end up in landfills every year, according to CalRecycle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We know who is paying the cost,” said Ting. “The environment is paying the cost. The taxpayer is paying the cost because we have to clean it up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AB 792 is one of several bills before the Legislature this year aimed at reducing plastic consumption statewide. \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB54\">SB 54\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB1080\">AB 1080\u003c/a> would require that at least 75% of single-use packaging and products sold in California be recyclable or compostable by 2030.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California was the first state to \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB270\">ban single-use plastic bags\u003c/a> at retail stores with a law that took effect in 2016. Last year, the state cracked down on the use of \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1884\">plastic straws in restaurants\u003c/a> and passed another law requiring that all \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB1335\">food service packaging\u003c/a> in state-owned facilities be reusable, recyclable or compostable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While California has led the way in reducing the use of plastic, recyclers have been scrambling because China — once the primary buyer for recycled plastic — last year stopped accepting most imports of plastic and paper scrap.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ting’s bill now goes before the Assembly Appropriations Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>April 18: This story was corrected to reflect that AB 792 passed the Assembly Natural Resources Committee by a vote of 8-1, not 4-1 as originally stated. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","disqusIdentifier":"11739302 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11739302","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2019/04/11/a-future-with-100-recycled-beverage-bottles-a-new-state-bill-would-require-it/","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":985,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":29},"modified":1569868284,"excerpt":"A bill by Assemblyman Phil Ting would require that all plastic beverage bottles be made of 100% recycled content by 2035.","headData":{"twImgId":"","twTitle":"","ogTitle":"","ogImgId":"","twDescription":"","description":"A bill by Assemblyman Phil Ting would require that all plastic beverage bottles be made of 100% recycled content by 2035.","title":"A Future With 100% Recycled Beverage Bottles? 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A New State Bill Would Require It","datePublished":"2019-04-11T17:08:15-07:00","dateModified":"2019-09-30T11:31:24-07:00","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"True","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"a-future-with-100-recycled-beverage-bottles-a-new-state-bill-would-require-it","status":"publish","path":"/news/11739302/a-future-with-100-recycled-beverage-bottles-a-new-state-bill-would-require-it","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>State legislators are considering a bill that would hold plastic bottle manufacturers accountable for recycling and reusing their own products.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB792\">AB 792\u003c/a>, introduced by Assemblyman Phil Ting, D-San Francisco, would require plastic beverage containers in California to be made of at least 50% recycled content by 2025 and be 100% by 2035. The legislation would apply to bottles currently covered under the \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer\">California Redemption Value\u003c/a> program, including those used for soda, fruit drinks and water.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"herolink":"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/plastic","label":"Related Stories ","tag":"plastic"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The overall goal is to really think about how we can utilize less plastic and how we can better recycle plastic,” Ting said. “We know right now, that by 2050, if we don’t do anything else we’ll actually have more plastic in the ocean than fish.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill passed the Assembly Natural Resources Committee on Monday by a vote of 8-1.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Californians used more than 12 billion plastic beverage bottles in 2017, according to the state agency CalRecycle. Bottles made out of PET plastic, also known as #1 plastic or polyethylene terephthalate, are the most commonly used and widely recycled, with more than \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/rates/biannualrpt/janjunerpt.pdf\">70% \u003c/a>of them processed annually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But even after all those plastic bottles are collected, cleaned and processed, there's no guarantee of a viable market for the recycled plastic. That’s one thing the bill's authors hope to address.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[Bottle manufacturers] are very fond of touting the recyclability of those bottles,” said Mark Murray, executive director of Californians Against Waste, a nonprofit environmental advocacy organization that supports the bill. “This legislation would compel them to put their money where their mouth is and buy the plastic back and use it to make new plastic bottles.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Coca-Cola revealed in March that it produces \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/14/coca-cola-admits-it-produces-3m-tonnes-of-plastic-packaging-a-year?CMP=share_btn_tw\">3 million tons of plastic packaging\u003c/a> every year — the equivalent of 200,000 bottles per minute. According to its latest filing with CalRecycle, only \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/bevdistman/resources/2018resinrpt.pdf\">9% of its soda bottles\u003c/a> currently include post-consumer recycled plastic. The company has \u003ca href=\"https://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/2017-packaging\">pledged\u003c/a> to make its bottles and cans out of at least 50% recycled materials by 2030.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, Danone, which owns Evian mineral water, has \u003ca href=\"https://www.danone.com/stories/articles-list/evian-transforms-approach-to-plastic.html\">pledged\u003c/a> to make all its plastic bottles from 100% recycled plastic by 2025. And according to Ting, California-based Naked Juice, which is owned by PepsiCo, already uses bottles with 100% recycled content.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, at a \u003ca href=\"https://www.assembly.ca.gov/media/assembly-natural-resources-committee-20190408/video\">hearing\u003c/a> before the Natural Resources Committee on Monday, representatives of the bottling and beverage industries expressed concerns with the legislation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We want to see recycled content,” said Fredericka McGee, head of California government affairs with the American Beverage Association. But, she added, the timeline proposed in the bill was too accelerated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The numbers that are outlined in AB 729 are simply not reachable,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'We know right now, that by 2050, if we don’t do anything else we’ll actually have more plastic in the ocean than fish.'\u003ccite>Assemblyman Phil Ting\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Dennis Albiani, a lobbyist for the Grocery Manufacturers Association, said that the law could have the unintended consequence of driving manufacturers away from using plastic in favor of materials that are even harder to recycle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What we don’t want to do is to [have] a regrettable substitution situation where you have things like this,” he said, holding up an empty container of boxed water.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He described that packaging as containing three different materials — paper, a plastic liner and a plastic cap. “This is a very unrecyclable package,” Albiani said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Richard Costa, director of sustainability at CarbonLite, one of California’s largest plastics recyclers, said the legislation is necessary to encourage manufacturers to use more recycled material.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We must set new standards to push industry to reutilize more,” Costa told the committee. “We are great at recycling. We need reutilization.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Currently the cost of recycling most bottles is greater than their scrap value, or the value of what the recycled plastic can be sold for, according to Murray of Californians Against Waste. Based on \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/bevdistman/resources/2018resinrpt.pdf\">reports filed voluntarily\u003c/a> by bottle manufacturers, he estimates that plastic beverage bottles sold today contain only about 15% recycled content.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AB 792 would hold those manufacturers more accountable, said Murray. “We need to create processing infrastructure and manufacturing infrastructure to close the loop on plastic packaging.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even with California’s high rates of recycling, more than 3 billion plastic bottles end up in landfills every year, according to CalRecycle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We know who is paying the cost,” said Ting. “The environment is paying the cost. The taxpayer is paying the cost because we have to clean it up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AB 792 is one of several bills before the Legislature this year aimed at reducing plastic consumption statewide. \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB54\">SB 54\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB1080\">AB 1080\u003c/a> would require that at least 75% of single-use packaging and products sold in California be recyclable or compostable by 2030.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California was the first state to \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB270\">ban single-use plastic bags\u003c/a> at retail stores with a law that took effect in 2016. Last year, the state cracked down on the use of \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1884\">plastic straws in restaurants\u003c/a> and passed another law requiring that all \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB1335\">food service packaging\u003c/a> in state-owned facilities be reusable, recyclable or compostable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While California has led the way in reducing the use of plastic, recyclers have been scrambling because China — once the primary buyer for recycled plastic — last year stopped accepting most imports of plastic and paper scrap.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ting’s bill now goes before the Assembly Appropriations Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>April 18: This story was corrected to reflect that AB 792 passed the Assembly Natural Resources Committee by a vote of 8-1, not 4-1 as originally stated. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11739302/a-future-with-100-recycled-beverage-bottles-a-new-state-bill-would-require-it","authors":["244"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8","news_13","news_356"],"tags":["news_19542","news_25428","news_382","news_17041"],"featImg":"news_11739305","label":"news_72"},"news_11714223":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11714223","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11714223","score":null,"sort":[1547118056000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"when-recycling-pays-and-when-it-doesnt","title":"When Recycling Pays the Bills ... and When It Doesn't","publishDate":1547118056,"format":"audio","headTitle":"When Recycling Pays the Bills … and When It Doesn’t | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>How many times have you looked at the top of a soda can or the side of a bottle, and seen a 5- or 10-cent CRV stamp? Chances are you barely considered it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003cbr>\nBut for people who gather aluminum cans and plastic bottles, that CRV inscription means \u003cem>money\u003c/em>. Enough money that \u003ca href=\"https://knpr.org/knpr/2018-09/recycling-fraud-ongoing-issue-california-states-deposit-laws\">smugglers\u003c/a> have been caught trying to bring in more than $80,000 worth of empty beverage containers from Arizona and Nevada.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The value of recyclables piqued the interest of this week’s question asker, Boyd Arnold of San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was curious to learn more about people who collect cans. They are very public in their work, but are very invisible otherwise,” says Arnold. “I’m also curious about the actual economics of recycling.”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"alignright\">In 2017, more than 18 billion aluminum, glass, PET and HDPE containers were recycled in California.\u003c/aside>\n\u003ch3>Who Recycles\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Every day, starting at 7:30 a.m., people line up at Our Planet Recycling on the edge of the Bayview district in San Francisco, pushing bins brimming with plastic bottles and aluminum cans. Many walk here on foot carrying what they can. One customer filled a beat-up RV from floor to ceiling with plastic. Others arrive with recyclables spilling out of sedans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11714229\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11714229 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Customers line up with their bins of recyclables at Our Planet Recycling SF.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Customers line up with their bins of recyclables at Our Planet Recycling SF. \u003ccite>(Jessica Placzek/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When customers get to the front of the line, their recyclables are weighed. A pound of plastic bottles gets you around $1.20. Aluminum is worth as much as $2 a pound.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That might not sound like a lot, but it’s enough for a handful of customers to make this their full-time job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This [has been] my work for a long time, more than 20 years,” says Darwin Laren.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Laren has one of those pickup trucks that’s been rigged with plywood or metal grating so he can haul more recyclables. Each day he visits about 10 different bars and restaurants around the city to pick up bottles and cans. Monday through Friday he earns about $150 to $160, and shares it with people who help him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A number of other customers are daily regulars, too. Willie Cobb comes to Our Planet Recycling every day, making about $10 each trip. He says it’s a helpful addition to his Supplemental Security Income checks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I go into neighborhoods and look in the dumpster,” says Cobb.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11714232\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11714232 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"Tony Tang with his receipt for just over 44 dollars worth of recycling.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-1920x2560.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tony Tang with his receipt for just over 44 dollars worth of recycling. \u003ccite>(Jessica Placzek/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>People come to this center because, let’s face it, San Francisco is one of the most expensive cities in the U.S. and every cent can count. A handful of people I talked to have other jobs, like Tony Tang, who works for Kaiser Permanente.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tony saves his used containers and is always on the lookout for more — even collecting empties from his friends and family. After three months, he collected seven bins the size of large garbage cans. This earns him about $44.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All kinds of people gather recyclables. Workers here talk about people dropping off recyclables in nice cars and letting somebody else cash them in. There are janitors who bring in recyclables in bulk, and people who prowl the streets day and night looking for empties. While a few say they value recycling, or they see it as throwing money away if they don’t redeem the containers, most people come here because the extra cash makes a difference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55yXRsIX30A\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The Economics of Recycling\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Here’s a quick primer on how \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer/programinfo/faq\">California Refund Value\u003c/a>, or CRV, works.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let’s say you buy a can of soda at the store. You pay an extra 5 or 10 cents on top of the price of the soda that goes to the California Beverage Container Recycling Fund. It’s basically a pot of money from all the beverage distributors in the whole state. When you’re done with the soda, you can take that can to a recycling center and get your 5 or 10 cents back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you put your soda can in the blue bin, whoever picks up your curbside recycling gets to keep that 5 or 10 cents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If that can never gets recycled, your money stays in the recycling fund and is used to subsidize the program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Centers like Our Planet Recycling make money by selling materials in bulk for their scrap value.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let’s take a closer look at those values.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Aluminum\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“The average cost to recycle a ton of aluminum [in 2017] was about $550 a ton. The scrap value for that aluminum was around $1,200 per ton. That means a recycling center could make around $650 per ton,” says Mark Murray, executive director of Californians Against Waste.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Murray says companies making aluminum cans realized it’s much cheaper to recycle aluminum than mine and process the raw material, bauxite. This leads to a higher recycling rate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11714235\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11714235 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Aluminum is baled at Our Planet Recycling SF.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Aluminum is baled at Our Planet Recycling SF. \u003ccite>(Jessica Placzek/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>Glass\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The recycling process for glass takes a lot of energy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Glass has what we call a negative scrap value,” says Murray. “The average scrap value of a ton of glass in 2017 was \u003cem>negative\u003c/em> $4.55.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While it cost only around $100 to process glass at centers like Our Planet Recycling, they would still lose money on glass if it weren’t for subsidies from the state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The subsidies are funded by unclaimed money out of the California Beverage Container Recycling Fund. But because of the ways these subsidies are calculated, the state has been paying out less money in recent years.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"alignright\">Most products \u003cem>can\u003c/em> be recycled, but municipalities often lack the infrastructure to deal with certain items, like paper products coated in plastic, Styrofoam and other kinds of plastic. These “recyclables” often end up in landfill.\u003c/aside>\n\u003ch2>Plastic\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There are a lot of different types of plastic, but we’re going to look at PET, or polyethylene terephthalate, which is often marked with a recycle symbol surrounding the number 1. In 2017, PET made up around half of the recyclable beverage containers sold in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Plastic like PET can be sold for reuse. Buyers will bring it to a factory where it’s cleaned, chopped, melted, turned into pellets and then made into something new.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[In 2017] the cost of recycling PET was around $485 a ton. The scrap value was about $190 per ton,” says Murray. “The scrap value for PET plastic covers less than half of the cost of recycling.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The recycling of plastic is also subsidized by the state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Additionally, when the price of oil plummets, like it did starting at the end of 2014, it becomes cheaper to make virgin plastic than to recycle, leading to declining scrap values of PET.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11716801\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11716801\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/01/91A43FA8-4B99-40D4-A034-0994E630D67D-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Orz Csaszar owner of Our Planet Recycling.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ors Csaszar owner of Our Planet Recycling. \u003ccite>(Jessica Placzek/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Recycling Centers Dwindle\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Profit margins are not huge for recycling centers, which factored into the closing of hundreds of recycling centers in California in the last five years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1990 San Francisco had 35 recycling centers, “And other guys went out the business. Now I believe we have probably three, four or five left,” says Ors Csaszar, the CEO of Our Planet Recycling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tight margins are exacerbated by the rising costs of the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is a volume business. You have to have land. And you know how much rent is,” says Csaszar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not easy to find a welcoming location either. Recently Csaszar had to move his business, and was concerned about finding a suitable site. Ultimately he found a lot under Highway 101 on Bayshore Boulevard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“San Francisco doesn’t have too many recycling centers because everybody is open-minded about recycling as long as it’s not close to their house,” says Csaszar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Murray says recycling center closures have contributed to a decrease in California’s recycling rates. For beverage containers, CalReycycle reported it dropped from \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/rates/biannualrpt/julydecrpt.pdf\">85 percent in 2013\u003c/a> to a 75 percent recycle rate in 2017. Others, though, have attributed declining rates of recycling to a strong economy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousquestion]\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"In California, more than 18 billion beverage containers were recycled in 2017. Meet some of the people who recycled them and what their scraps are worth. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1721103884,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":true,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":41,"wordCount":1403},"headData":{"title":"When Recycling Pays the Bills ... and When It Doesn't | KQED","description":"In California, more than 18 billion beverage containers were recycled in 2017. Meet some of the people who recycled them and what their scraps are worth. ","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"When Recycling Pays the Bills ... and When It Doesn't","datePublished":"2019-01-10T03:00:56-08:00","dateModified":"2024-07-15T21:24:44-07:00","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"True","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"videoEmbed":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55yXRsIX30A","source":"Bay Curious","sourceUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/news/series/baycurious","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/new-bay-curious/2019/01/Recycling.mp3","sticky":false,"audioTrackLength":539,"path":"/news/11714223/when-recycling-pays-and-when-it-doesnt","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>How many times have you looked at the top of a soda can or the side of a bottle, and seen a 5- or 10-cent CRV stamp? Chances are you barely considered it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Bay Curious\u003c/a> is a podcast that answers your questions about the Bay Area.\n Subscribe on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bay-curious/id1172473406\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts\u003c/a>,\n \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR One\u003c/a> or your favorite podcast platform.\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cbr>\nBut for people who gather aluminum cans and plastic bottles, that CRV inscription means \u003cem>money\u003c/em>. Enough money that \u003ca href=\"https://knpr.org/knpr/2018-09/recycling-fraud-ongoing-issue-california-states-deposit-laws\">smugglers\u003c/a> have been caught trying to bring in more than $80,000 worth of empty beverage containers from Arizona and Nevada.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The value of recyclables piqued the interest of this week’s question asker, Boyd Arnold of San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was curious to learn more about people who collect cans. They are very public in their work, but are very invisible otherwise,” says Arnold. “I’m also curious about the actual economics of recycling.”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"alignright\">In 2017, more than 18 billion aluminum, glass, PET and HDPE containers were recycled in California.\u003c/aside>\n\u003ch3>Who Recycles\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Every day, starting at 7:30 a.m., people line up at Our Planet Recycling on the edge of the Bayview district in San Francisco, pushing bins brimming with plastic bottles and aluminum cans. Many walk here on foot carrying what they can. One customer filled a beat-up RV from floor to ceiling with plastic. Others arrive with recyclables spilling out of sedans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11714229\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11714229 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Customers line up with their bins of recyclables at Our Planet Recycling SF.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/BA21ABBA-73B7-4228-8B58-55793C474F69-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Customers line up with their bins of recyclables at Our Planet Recycling SF. \u003ccite>(Jessica Placzek/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When customers get to the front of the line, their recyclables are weighed. A pound of plastic bottles gets you around $1.20. Aluminum is worth as much as $2 a pound.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That might not sound like a lot, but it’s enough for a handful of customers to make this their full-time job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This [has been] my work for a long time, more than 20 years,” says Darwin Laren.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Laren has one of those pickup trucks that’s been rigged with plywood or metal grating so he can haul more recyclables. Each day he visits about 10 different bars and restaurants around the city to pick up bottles and cans. Monday through Friday he earns about $150 to $160, and shares it with people who help him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A number of other customers are daily regulars, too. Willie Cobb comes to Our Planet Recycling every day, making about $10 each trip. He says it’s a helpful addition to his Supplemental Security Income checks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I go into neighborhoods and look in the dumpster,” says Cobb.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11714232\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11714232 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"Tony Tang with his receipt for just over 44 dollars worth of recycling.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3562-e1545352753296-1920x2560.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tony Tang with his receipt for just over 44 dollars worth of recycling. \u003ccite>(Jessica Placzek/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>People come to this center because, let’s face it, San Francisco is one of the most expensive cities in the U.S. and every cent can count. A handful of people I talked to have other jobs, like Tony Tang, who works for Kaiser Permanente.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tony saves his used containers and is always on the lookout for more — even collecting empties from his friends and family. After three months, he collected seven bins the size of large garbage cans. This earns him about $44.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All kinds of people gather recyclables. Workers here talk about people dropping off recyclables in nice cars and letting somebody else cash them in. There are janitors who bring in recyclables in bulk, and people who prowl the streets day and night looking for empties. While a few say they value recycling, or they see it as throwing money away if they don’t redeem the containers, most people come here because the extra cash makes a difference.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/55yXRsIX30A'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/55yXRsIX30A'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003ch3>The Economics of Recycling\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Here’s a quick primer on how \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer/programinfo/faq\">California Refund Value\u003c/a>, or CRV, works.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let’s say you buy a can of soda at the store. You pay an extra 5 or 10 cents on top of the price of the soda that goes to the California Beverage Container Recycling Fund. It’s basically a pot of money from all the beverage distributors in the whole state. When you’re done with the soda, you can take that can to a recycling center and get your 5 or 10 cents back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you put your soda can in the blue bin, whoever picks up your curbside recycling gets to keep that 5 or 10 cents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If that can never gets recycled, your money stays in the recycling fund and is used to subsidize the program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Centers like Our Planet Recycling make money by selling materials in bulk for their scrap value.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let’s take a closer look at those values.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Aluminum\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“The average cost to recycle a ton of aluminum [in 2017] was about $550 a ton. The scrap value for that aluminum was around $1,200 per ton. That means a recycling center could make around $650 per ton,” says Mark Murray, executive director of Californians Against Waste.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Murray says companies making aluminum cans realized it’s much cheaper to recycle aluminum than mine and process the raw material, bauxite. This leads to a higher recycling rate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11714235\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11714235 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Aluminum is baled at Our Planet Recycling SF.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/12/IMG_3564-1-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Aluminum is baled at Our Planet Recycling SF. \u003ccite>(Jessica Placzek/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>Glass\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The recycling process for glass takes a lot of energy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Glass has what we call a negative scrap value,” says Murray. “The average scrap value of a ton of glass in 2017 was \u003cem>negative\u003c/em> $4.55.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While it cost only around $100 to process glass at centers like Our Planet Recycling, they would still lose money on glass if it weren’t for subsidies from the state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The subsidies are funded by unclaimed money out of the California Beverage Container Recycling Fund. But because of the ways these subsidies are calculated, the state has been paying out less money in recent years.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"alignright\">Most products \u003cem>can\u003c/em> be recycled, but municipalities often lack the infrastructure to deal with certain items, like paper products coated in plastic, Styrofoam and other kinds of plastic. These “recyclables” often end up in landfill.\u003c/aside>\n\u003ch2>Plastic\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There are a lot of different types of plastic, but we’re going to look at PET, or polyethylene terephthalate, which is often marked with a recycle symbol surrounding the number 1. In 2017, PET made up around half of the recyclable beverage containers sold in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Plastic like PET can be sold for reuse. Buyers will bring it to a factory where it’s cleaned, chopped, melted, turned into pellets and then made into something new.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[In 2017] the cost of recycling PET was around $485 a ton. The scrap value was about $190 per ton,” says Murray. “The scrap value for PET plastic covers less than half of the cost of recycling.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The recycling of plastic is also subsidized by the state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Additionally, when the price of oil plummets, like it did starting at the end of 2014, it becomes cheaper to make virgin plastic than to recycle, leading to declining scrap values of PET.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11716801\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11716801\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/01/91A43FA8-4B99-40D4-A034-0994E630D67D-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Orz Csaszar owner of Our Planet Recycling.\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ors Csaszar owner of Our Planet Recycling. \u003ccite>(Jessica Placzek/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>Recycling Centers Dwindle\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Profit margins are not huge for recycling centers, which factored into the closing of hundreds of recycling centers in California in the last five years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1990 San Francisco had 35 recycling centers, “And other guys went out the business. Now I believe we have probably three, four or five left,” says Ors Csaszar, the CEO of Our Planet Recycling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tight margins are exacerbated by the rising costs of the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is a volume business. You have to have land. And you know how much rent is,” says Csaszar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not easy to find a welcoming location either. Recently Csaszar had to move his business, and was concerned about finding a suitable site. Ultimately he found a lot under Highway 101 on Bayshore Boulevard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“San Francisco doesn’t have too many recycling centers because everybody is open-minded about recycling as long as it’s not close to their house,” says Csaszar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Murray says recycling center closures have contributed to a decrease in California’s recycling rates. For beverage containers, CalReycycle reported it dropped from \u003ca href=\"https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/docs/cr/bevcontainer/rates/biannualrpt/julydecrpt.pdf\">85 percent in 2013\u003c/a> to a 75 percent recycle rate in 2017. Others, though, have attributed declining rates of recycling to a strong economy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"baycuriousquestion","attributes":{"named":{"label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11714223/when-recycling-pays-and-when-it-doesnt","authors":["8606"],"programs":["news_33523"],"series":["news_17986"],"categories":["news_8","news_33520","news_356"],"tags":["news_18426","news_24374","news_25428","news_382"],"featImg":"news_11714228","label":"source_news_11714223"},"news_11461251":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11461251","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11461251","score":null,"sort":[1495090877000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"news","term":33523},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1495090877,"format":"audio","title":"Are Plastic Bag Bans Actually Helping the Environment?","headTitle":"Are Plastic Bag Bans Actually Helping the Environment? | KQED","content":"\u003cp>“Do you need a bag?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since November, when California became the first state to ban single-use plastic bags, it’s a question you have to answer almost every time you go to the store. And you have to ask yourself: Am I willing to pay 10 cents for a bag?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s also a question that made 12-year-old Amar Farhat have a question of her own.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>“Is banning plastic bags making a difference in the environment?”\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amar doesn’t just want to know if fewer bags are being used now, but also if the law is doing what it was meant to do: help the environment. She’s a little skeptical. Amar and her family used to reuse the old plastic bags for trash or errands. Plus, she said, the new thicker bags you get at the store seem to be made of more plastic, not less.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I feel like it might help a little bit, but overall, we have so many plastic things, this is a small percentage,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What is the Plastic Bag Ban?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>If plastic bags are banned, what are these thicker plastic bags Amar is getting from the grocery store?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s important to understand how the new statewide ban works. The law gets rid of single-use plastic bags — those thin, cheap plastic bags you used to get. It also requires grocery stores to charge 10 cents for paper bags or for new, thicker, reusable plastic bags. Those thicker plastic bags have to be made of partially recycled material and have to meet \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=PRC&division=30.&title=&part=3.&chapter=5.3.&article=2.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">specific requirements\u003c/a>. The state hopes that if these bags are heftier and bigger, you can use fewer of them at the checkout line and reuse them for longer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is one of the old bags:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-11463433\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-1020x574.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is one of the new bags:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-11463426\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-1020x574.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You can also opt to bring your own bags or not take any bags at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the state law just went into effect, it’s too soon to know how it’s working, but there are hundreds of cities around California that already had their own plastic bag bans. If something different is happening at your grocery store, it might be because your local law varies slightly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These cities can tell us how they’ve fared so far.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Are Fewer Bags Being Used Overall?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>In 2013, Alameda County passed an ordinance very similar to the current state law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’ve seen an 80 percent reduction in the number of bags — paper and plastic,” said Meri Soll, senior program manager at \u003ca href=\"http://www.stopwaste.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">StopWaste\u003c/a>. The agency oversees waste management in Alameda County\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are a number of ways Soll and her colleague, Jeff Becerra, measured the impact of the ordinance — but one of the most effective methods was surprisingly low-tech.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We stood in a parking lot,” said Soll. “We just watched the consumers go out, how many bags did they have, what types of bags? Did they not have bags?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And a year after the ordinance, they went back to those same stores at the same time and counted again. What they found was that twice as many people are bringing their own bags and almost three times as many simply don’t take a bag at all. The big differences have been that people are no longer taking bags when they buy one or two items, double-bagging items or taking extra free bags.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here’s a chart StopWaste made:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags.png\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11462981\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1332\" height=\"841\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags.png 1332w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-160x101.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-800x505.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-1020x644.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-1180x745.png 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-960x606.png 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-240x152.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-375x237.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-520x328.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1332px) 100vw, 1332px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Soll and Becerra didn’t just stand in parking lots, though. They also got the purchasing data from 69 chain stores in the county. Those stores went from using 50 million bags each year to using just 10 million total — paper and plastic. The number of paper bags used went from 13 million to 8 million, and the number of plastic bags went from 37 million to 2 million.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alameda is not the only county that has attempted to measure the impact of its bag ban.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are \u003ca href=\"http://www.cawrecycles.org/list-of-local-bag-bans/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">multiple studies\u003c/a> and a few \u003ca href=\"http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.849.5625&rep=rep1&type=pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">in-depth analyses\u003c/a> of different local bans — nearly all of which show a decrease in the overall number of single-use bags.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A few:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>In\u003ca href=\"http://www3.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/CommitteeAgenda/TE/20121203/TE20121203_d5.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> its effectiveness study\u003c/a>, San Jose found twice as many people opted not to take a bag post-ban.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>San Jose also measured the number of plastic bags found in litter and creek cleanups, and saw decreases.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>California Waste Solutions, which does the majority of recycling for San Jose, reported fewer plastic bags getting caught in recycling machines and a 35-50 percent reduction in down time because of that.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ladpw.org/epd/aboutthebag/PDF/Bag%20Ban%20Status%20Nov%202012.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Los Angeles County found\u003c/a> its large stores gave away 2 million plastic bags and 196,000 paper bags annually before its ban. A year later, those stores handed out only 125,000 paper bags.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>What cities have found is charging people for a bag makes a big difference. San Francisco’s original ordinance, which didn’t charge a fee, wasn’t nearly as effective as it is now. “People just take the free option then,” said Soll. “We found if you were giving one bag free and charging for the other, there would just be a switch” — not a decrease.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 10-cent charge is why use of both paper and plastic decreased in places like Alameda County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The 10-cents charge actually really affects how the consumer behaves at point of sale,” said Soll. “A bag that used to be free and now you’re charging 10 cents actually gives the consumer pause. ‘Do I need this bag and next time I’m going to bring my own bag. I’m not going to pay that 10-cents charge.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">‘The 10-cents charge actually really affects how the consumer behaves at point of sale.’\u003ccite>Meri Soll, Stop Waste\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>“We do know that these ordinances work,” said Becerra.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In all likelihood, we’ll see similar drops statewide in single-use bags, though we can’t know for sure yet.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Is It Better for the Environment?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Amar, our question asker, also wanted to know if all these plastic bag bans are actually doing any good.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It comes down to two issues: How big a problem were plastic bags in the first place, and what are you using now instead?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stephen Joseph is a lawyer for the plastic bag industry, and fought the bans. He also used to run an anti-litter group in San Francisco. He said plastic bags have gotten an unfair bad rap.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s media sensationalism,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">‘Plastic bag litter was so tiny that even after they banned plastic bags, there was no appreciable effect.’\u003ccite>Lawyer Stephen Joseph\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Plastic bags, he said, account for a tiny portion of overall litter. He rarely saw them when picking up trash. City litter surveys and beach cleanups actually confirm this. \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/Bag-Ban-San-Jose-2.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">In San Jose’s pre-ban tally, plastic bags accounted for only about 2 percent of trash\u003c/a>. And Eben Schwartz, from the Coastal Commission, said plastic bags were about 9 percent of what they picked up on San Francisco beaches before the local bans went into effect — and are about 6 percent of trash they pick up now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Plastic bag litter was so tiny that even after they banned plastic bags, there was no appreciable effect, because there’d been so little of it in the first place,” said Joseph, of San Francisco’s ban.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bigger problem, said Joseph — what’s killing marine mammals and gathering in patches in the ocean — is “hard plastic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While researchers do find plastic bags in the stomachs of dead whales and turtles, what \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yom6zlm5VqE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">they find more often\u003c/a> are: toothbrushes, golf balls, plastic water bottle caps, fishing debris.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Schwartz said plastic bags are still a problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They break down into smaller pieces of plastic. That doesn’t mean they’re less harmful. It just means there’s more plastic to be ingested,” he said. “You create little toxic pellets.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousbug]Plus, the main reason environmental groups have focused on plastic bags is because they’re easy to replace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Is it really just a product we’re using for 37 seconds, for one minute, and then we’re throwing it away, and what we’re learning here is there is no away,” said Dan Jacobson, the state director for Environment California, who worked to pass the measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What Do You Use Instead?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>When you think about how good or bad a bag is for the environment, you need to think about its whole life cycle— from how much energy it takes to produce to what happens after you throw it in the trash or the recycling bin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11463425\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 5312px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11463425\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"5312\" height=\"2988\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327.jpg 5312w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 5312px) 100vw, 5312px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">My kitchen cabinet stuffed full of plastic, paper and reusable bags. \u003ccite>(Kelly O'Mara/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Amar and her family used to reuse the old plastic bags to line trash cans and carry things to work. Lots of people used them for pet waste.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of the replacement bags take more resources to make than the old, single-use plastic bags. Paper bags are heavier, so they take more gas to ship. Canvas bags need to be washed, which uses water and energy. All of these factors mean a reusable bag must be used multiple times to have a net positive effect on the environment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>How many times you need to reuse a bag to compensate for the additional resources depends on what the bag’s made out of. This is called a life-cycle analysis. Alameda County conducted its own analysis as part of \u003ca href=\"http://reusablebagsac.org/resources/addendum-final-environmental-impact-report-2016\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">its environmental impact report\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/291023/scho0711buan-e-e.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The UK’s Environment Agency conducted its own\u003c/a>, too, and there have been others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here are how many uses are needed to equal one use of one of the old thin plastic bags:\u003c/p>\n\u003ctable class=\"tableizer-table\">\n\u003cthead>\n\u003ctr class=\"tableizer-firstrow\">\n\u003cth>REUSABLE BAG TYPE\u003c/th>\n\u003cth># OF USES NEEDED\u003c/th>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003c/thead>\n\u003ctbody>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>New reusable plastic bags at the grocery store (LDPE)\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>4.2\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>PET reusable plastic bags\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>10-11\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>Non-woven polypropylene fabric bags\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>11-13\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>Polyester bags\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>42\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>Cotton bag\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>131\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003c/tbody>\n\u003c/table>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.customearthpromos.com/custom-recycled-shopping-bags.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=recycled_bags&utm_campaign=shopping_CEP&gclid=CjwKEAjw6e_IBRDvorfv2Ku79jMSJAAuiv9YdgpOTV4o0Wr-uU1aKvaMnvbbnP2cZ5j5GqRFrrZNuRoCPzbw_wcB\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">A PET reusable plastic bag\u003c/a> is the plastic square kind you can buy at Whole Foods or Trader Joe’s. \u003ca href=\"https://www.customearthpromos.com/custom-reusable-non-woven-bags.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=non_woven_bags&utm_campaign=shopping_CEP&gclid=CjwKEAjw6e_IBRDvorfv2Ku79jMSJAAuiv9YjFsNnFSZPX7QE01DtcZBWcT2j2RliVafMI9yzeBezhoCgKTw_wcB\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">A polypropylene bag\u003c/a> is the semi-fabric boxlike kind often given out at expos or festivals. Cotton bags are the nice cotton totes you might buy for their cute design or charm.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We do know that once you have a reusable bag and you’re using it over and over, the environmental savings always outweigh something that can be used once,” said Soll.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s especially true when those reusable bags are made from recycled materials. Even Joseph agreed with that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Fortunately, what they’re being replaced with today are to some extent recyclable polyethylene reusable bags,” said Joseph. “Then that’s good for the environment.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We can’t know for sure what people will do, but if what happened at the local level happens at the state level, then we’ll end up using fewer plastic \u003cem>and\u003c/em> fewer paper bags. And that should ultimately be enough fewer resources that the environment will come out ahead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousquestion]\u003c/p>\n\n","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":1972,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":true,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":57},"modified":1700597627,"excerpt":"The state plastic bag ban will likely lead to a decrease in single-use bags. But what do people use instead?","headData":{"twImgId":"","twTitle":"","ogTitle":"","ogImgId":"","twDescription":"","description":"The state plastic bag ban will likely lead to a decrease in single-use bags. But what do people use instead?","title":"Are Plastic Bag Bans Actually Helping the Environment? | KQED","ogDescription":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Are Plastic Bag Bans Actually Helping the Environment?","datePublished":"2017-05-18T00:01:17-07:00","dateModified":"2023-11-21T12:13:47-08:00","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"True","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"are-plastic-bag-bans-good-for-the-environment","status":"publish","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/bay-curious/2017/05/BCPlasticBagsmastered.mp3","audioTrackLength":535,"path":"/news/11461251/are-plastic-bag-bans-good-for-the-environment","audioDuration":535000,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>“Do you need a bag?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since November, when California became the first state to ban single-use plastic bags, it’s a question you have to answer almost every time you go to the store. And you have to ask yourself: Am I willing to pay 10 cents for a bag?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Bay Curious\u003c/a> is a podcast that answers your questions about the Bay Area.\n Subscribe on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bay-curious/id1172473406\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts\u003c/a>,\n \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR One\u003c/a> or your favorite podcast platform.\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s also a question that made 12-year-old Amar Farhat have a question of her own.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>“Is banning plastic bags making a difference in the environment?”\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amar doesn’t just want to know if fewer bags are being used now, but also if the law is doing what it was meant to do: help the environment. She’s a little skeptical. Amar and her family used to reuse the old plastic bags for trash or errands. Plus, she said, the new thicker bags you get at the store seem to be made of more plastic, not less.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I feel like it might help a little bit, but overall, we have so many plastic things, this is a small percentage,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What is the Plastic Bag Ban?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>If plastic bags are banned, what are these thicker plastic bags Amar is getting from the grocery store?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s important to understand how the new statewide ban works. The law gets rid of single-use plastic bags — those thin, cheap plastic bags you used to get. It also requires grocery stores to charge 10 cents for paper bags or for new, thicker, reusable plastic bags. Those thicker plastic bags have to be made of partially recycled material and have to meet \u003ca href=\"http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=PRC&division=30.&title=&part=3.&chapter=5.3.&article=2.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">specific requirements\u003c/a>. The state hopes that if these bags are heftier and bigger, you can use fewer of them at the checkout line and reuse them for longer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is one of the old bags:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-11463433\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-1020x574.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194321-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is one of the new bags:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-11463426\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-1020x574.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170516_194250-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You can also opt to bring your own bags or not take any bags at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the state law just went into effect, it’s too soon to know how it’s working, but there are hundreds of cities around California that already had their own plastic bag bans. If something different is happening at your grocery store, it might be because your local law varies slightly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These cities can tell us how they’ve fared so far.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Are Fewer Bags Being Used Overall?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>In 2013, Alameda County passed an ordinance very similar to the current state law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’ve seen an 80 percent reduction in the number of bags — paper and plastic,” said Meri Soll, senior program manager at \u003ca href=\"http://www.stopwaste.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">StopWaste\u003c/a>. The agency oversees waste management in Alameda County\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are a number of ways Soll and her colleague, Jeff Becerra, measured the impact of the ordinance — but one of the most effective methods was surprisingly low-tech.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We stood in a parking lot,” said Soll. “We just watched the consumers go out, how many bags did they have, what types of bags? Did they not have bags?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And a year after the ordinance, they went back to those same stores at the same time and counted again. What they found was that twice as many people are bringing their own bags and almost three times as many simply don’t take a bag at all. The big differences have been that people are no longer taking bags when they buy one or two items, double-bagging items or taking extra free bags.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here’s a chart StopWaste made:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags.png\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11462981\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1332\" height=\"841\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags.png 1332w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-160x101.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-800x505.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-1020x644.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-1180x745.png 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-960x606.png 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-240x152.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-375x237.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/bags-520x328.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1332px) 100vw, 1332px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Soll and Becerra didn’t just stand in parking lots, though. They also got the purchasing data from 69 chain stores in the county. Those stores went from using 50 million bags each year to using just 10 million total — paper and plastic. The number of paper bags used went from 13 million to 8 million, and the number of plastic bags went from 37 million to 2 million.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alameda is not the only county that has attempted to measure the impact of its bag ban.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are \u003ca href=\"http://www.cawrecycles.org/list-of-local-bag-bans/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">multiple studies\u003c/a> and a few \u003ca href=\"http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.849.5625&rep=rep1&type=pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">in-depth analyses\u003c/a> of different local bans — nearly all of which show a decrease in the overall number of single-use bags.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A few:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>In\u003ca href=\"http://www3.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/CommitteeAgenda/TE/20121203/TE20121203_d5.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> its effectiveness study\u003c/a>, San Jose found twice as many people opted not to take a bag post-ban.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>San Jose also measured the number of plastic bags found in litter and creek cleanups, and saw decreases.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>California Waste Solutions, which does the majority of recycling for San Jose, reported fewer plastic bags getting caught in recycling machines and a 35-50 percent reduction in down time because of that.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"http://ladpw.org/epd/aboutthebag/PDF/Bag%20Ban%20Status%20Nov%202012.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Los Angeles County found\u003c/a> its large stores gave away 2 million plastic bags and 196,000 paper bags annually before its ban. A year later, those stores handed out only 125,000 paper bags.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>What cities have found is charging people for a bag makes a big difference. San Francisco’s original ordinance, which didn’t charge a fee, wasn’t nearly as effective as it is now. “People just take the free option then,” said Soll. “We found if you were giving one bag free and charging for the other, there would just be a switch” — not a decrease.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 10-cent charge is why use of both paper and plastic decreased in places like Alameda County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The 10-cents charge actually really affects how the consumer behaves at point of sale,” said Soll. “A bag that used to be free and now you’re charging 10 cents actually gives the consumer pause. ‘Do I need this bag and next time I’m going to bring my own bag. I’m not going to pay that 10-cents charge.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">‘The 10-cents charge actually really affects how the consumer behaves at point of sale.’\u003ccite>Meri Soll, Stop Waste\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>“We do know that these ordinances work,” said Becerra.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In all likelihood, we’ll see similar drops statewide in single-use bags, though we can’t know for sure yet.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Is It Better for the Environment?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Amar, our question asker, also wanted to know if all these plastic bag bans are actually doing any good.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It comes down to two issues: How big a problem were plastic bags in the first place, and what are you using now instead?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stephen Joseph is a lawyer for the plastic bag industry, and fought the bans. He also used to run an anti-litter group in San Francisco. He said plastic bags have gotten an unfair bad rap.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s media sensationalism,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">‘Plastic bag litter was so tiny that even after they banned plastic bags, there was no appreciable effect.’\u003ccite>Lawyer Stephen Joseph\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Plastic bags, he said, account for a tiny portion of overall litter. He rarely saw them when picking up trash. City litter surveys and beach cleanups actually confirm this. \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/Bag-Ban-San-Jose-2.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">In San Jose’s pre-ban tally, plastic bags accounted for only about 2 percent of trash\u003c/a>. And Eben Schwartz, from the Coastal Commission, said plastic bags were about 9 percent of what they picked up on San Francisco beaches before the local bans went into effect — and are about 6 percent of trash they pick up now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Plastic bag litter was so tiny that even after they banned plastic bags, there was no appreciable effect, because there’d been so little of it in the first place,” said Joseph, of San Francisco’s ban.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bigger problem, said Joseph — what’s killing marine mammals and gathering in patches in the ocean — is “hard plastic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While researchers do find plastic bags in the stomachs of dead whales and turtles, what \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yom6zlm5VqE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">they find more often\u003c/a> are: toothbrushes, golf balls, plastic water bottle caps, fishing debris.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Schwartz said plastic bags are still a problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They break down into smaller pieces of plastic. That doesn’t mean they’re less harmful. It just means there’s more plastic to be ingested,” he said. “You create little toxic pellets.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n What do you wonder about the Bay Area, its culture or people that you want KQED to investigate?\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Ask Bay Curious.\u003c/a>\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Plus, the main reason environmental groups have focused on plastic bags is because they’re easy to replace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Is it really just a product we’re using for 37 seconds, for one minute, and then we’re throwing it away, and what we’re learning here is there is no away,” said Dan Jacobson, the state director for Environment California, who worked to pass the measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What Do You Use Instead?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>When you think about how good or bad a bag is for the environment, you need to think about its whole life cycle— from how much energy it takes to produce to what happens after you throw it in the trash or the recycling bin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11463425\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 5312px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327.jpg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11463425\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"5312\" height=\"2988\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327.jpg 5312w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/20170515_210327-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 5312px) 100vw, 5312px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">My kitchen cabinet stuffed full of plastic, paper and reusable bags. \u003ccite>(Kelly O'Mara/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Amar and her family used to reuse the old plastic bags to line trash cans and carry things to work. Lots of people used them for pet waste.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of the replacement bags take more resources to make than the old, single-use plastic bags. Paper bags are heavier, so they take more gas to ship. Canvas bags need to be washed, which uses water and energy. All of these factors mean a reusable bag must be used multiple times to have a net positive effect on the environment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>How many times you need to reuse a bag to compensate for the additional resources depends on what the bag’s made out of. This is called a life-cycle analysis. Alameda County conducted its own analysis as part of \u003ca href=\"http://reusablebagsac.org/resources/addendum-final-environmental-impact-report-2016\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">its environmental impact report\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/291023/scho0711buan-e-e.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The UK’s Environment Agency conducted its own\u003c/a>, too, and there have been others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here are how many uses are needed to equal one use of one of the old thin plastic bags:\u003c/p>\n\u003ctable class=\"tableizer-table\">\n\u003cthead>\n\u003ctr class=\"tableizer-firstrow\">\n\u003cth>REUSABLE BAG TYPE\u003c/th>\n\u003cth># OF USES NEEDED\u003c/th>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003c/thead>\n\u003ctbody>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>New reusable plastic bags at the grocery store (LDPE)\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>4.2\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>PET reusable plastic bags\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>10-11\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>Non-woven polypropylene fabric bags\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>11-13\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>Polyester bags\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>42\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003ctr>\n\u003ctd>Cotton bag\u003c/td>\n\u003ctd>131\u003c/td>\n\u003c/tr>\n\u003c/tbody>\n\u003c/table>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.customearthpromos.com/custom-recycled-shopping-bags.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=recycled_bags&utm_campaign=shopping_CEP&gclid=CjwKEAjw6e_IBRDvorfv2Ku79jMSJAAuiv9YdgpOTV4o0Wr-uU1aKvaMnvbbnP2cZ5j5GqRFrrZNuRoCPzbw_wcB\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">A PET reusable plastic bag\u003c/a> is the plastic square kind you can buy at Whole Foods or Trader Joe’s. \u003ca href=\"https://www.customearthpromos.com/custom-reusable-non-woven-bags.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=non_woven_bags&utm_campaign=shopping_CEP&gclid=CjwKEAjw6e_IBRDvorfv2Ku79jMSJAAuiv9YjFsNnFSZPX7QE01DtcZBWcT2j2RliVafMI9yzeBezhoCgKTw_wcB\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">A polypropylene bag\u003c/a> is the semi-fabric boxlike kind often given out at expos or festivals. Cotton bags are the nice cotton totes you might buy for their cute design or charm.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We do know that once you have a reusable bag and you’re using it over and over, the environmental savings always outweigh something that can be used once,” said Soll.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s especially true when those reusable bags are made from recycled materials. Even Joseph agreed with that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Fortunately, what they’re being replaced with today are to some extent recyclable polyethylene reusable bags,” said Joseph. “Then that’s good for the environment.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We can’t know for sure what people will do, but if what happened at the local level happens at the state level, then we’ll end up using fewer plastic \u003cem>and\u003c/em> fewer paper bags. And that should ultimately be enough fewer resources that the environment will come out ahead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"baycuriousquestion","attributes":{"named":{"label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11461251/are-plastic-bag-bans-good-for-the-environment","authors":["1459"],"programs":["news_6944","news_72","news_33523"],"series":["news_17986"],"categories":["news_19906","news_8","news_33520","news_356"],"tags":["news_25428","news_4846","news_536"],"featImg":"news_11463454","label":"news_33523"}},"programsReducer":{"possible":{"id":"possible","title":"Possible","info":"Possible is hosted by entrepreneur Reid Hoffman and writer Aria Finger. 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