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Journalist \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/11/30/1216054095/the-voting-rights-act-is-being-attacked-from-every-possible-angle-journalist-say\">Ari Berman\u003c/a> says the Founding Fathers struggled with that question back in 1787 — except, for them, white male landowners were the minority in need of protection.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"Most of the founders were skeptical of the public's ability to elect the president directly,\" Berman says. \"So they created this very complicated situation in which electors would elect the president instead of the people electing the president directly.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>In his new book, \u003cem>Minority Rule\u003c/em>, Berman connects the debates and compromises of the country's founders to contemporary politics. 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Additionally, he says, because the Constitution stipulates that each state gets two senators, regardless of its population, \"smaller, whiter, more conservative states have far more power and representation in the Senate then larger, more diverse, more urban states.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"What we see right now is the same kind of thing, in which a privileged, conservative, white minority is trying to suppress the power of a much more diverse multiracial governing majority,\" Berman says. \"And that's a very dangerous situation for American democracy.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003chr />\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003ch3>Interview highlights\u003c/h3>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the Constitution as a flawed document\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>We venerate the Constitution as a civic religion. I think we would be much greater served to look at the Constitution as a whole document and say, there are some remarkable parts of this document, but there's also some really flawed parts of this document that we still haven't corrected. Because the really remarkable thing is that even as America has democratized in the centuries since — and nobody would argue that America isn't more democratic now than it was back then — some features of the Constitution have become more undemocratic.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the creation of the Electoral College to uphold minority rule \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Most of the founders were skeptical of the public's ability to elect the president directly. They felt like the public would be uninformed, or it would be chosen by the largest states, or would be chosen by free states in a way that would hurt the South. So it's interesting, one of the themes that runs through the book and runs through the founding is that these smaller minorities wanted protection. And when I may say smaller minorities, I don't mean minority groups. I mean the small states wanted protection, the slave states wanted protection, and they felt like they would get that protection in the Electoral College. So they created this very complicated situation in which electors would elect the president instead of the people electing the president directly.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On how representatives from Delaware scuffled the initial plan to have Senate representation being based on population \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>James Madison and other prominent framers wanted the Senate to be based on proportional representation, so they wanted it to be based on population. So larger states like Virginia would have more representation than smaller states like Delaware. But the smaller states rebelled. And there's this amazing moment at the Constitutional Convention where the attorney general of Delaware gets up and he tells the likes of James Madison, if you don't give us the same representation, we're going to find a foreign ally who we're going to join with instead, and we're going to leave the United States of America. And that was a stunning demand. The idea that they would go rejoin England or they would join France instead, if they didn't have the same level of representation, meant that the larger states had no choice but to give in to the demand of the smaller states to ratify the Constitution.\u003c/p>\u003cp>But what Madison worried about is that it would allow what he called a more objectionable minority than ever to control the U.S. Senate, because if the smaller states had the same level of representation as the larger states, that was inevitably going to lead to minority rule. And Madison worried that would get worse as more states join the union. And, of course, that's what's happened today, where the gap between large and small states is dramatically larger than it was back in 1787.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On how the two Senator per state representation affects minority rule \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Just to give you one really \u003ca href=\"https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/06/jd-scholten/about-70-percent-us-residents-expected-live-15-lar/\">stunning stat\u003c/a>, by 2040, 70% of the population is going to live in 15 states with 30 senators. That means that 30% of the country, which is going to be whiter, more rural, more conservative, is going to elect 70% of the U.S. Senate. So the trend in the U.S. Senate is becoming more imbalanced and more undemocratic. And what's really interesting to me is a lot of conservatives want to go back and they want to quote the framers, but they ignore that a lot of the framers, including James Madison, the architect of the Constitution, had grave concerns about some of the institutions they were creating, particularly the structure of the U.S. Senate. \u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>Lauren Krenzel and Joel Wolfram produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Meghan Sullivan adapted it for the web.\u003c/em> \u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=How+the+Founding+Fathers%27+concept+of+%27Minority+Rule%27+is+alive+and+well+today&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>It's a fundamental tension in a democracy: How do you have majority rule in a way that also protects minority rights? Journalist \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/11/30/1216054095/the-voting-rights-act-is-being-attacked-from-every-possible-angle-journalist-say\">Ari Berman\u003c/a> says the Founding Fathers struggled with that question back in 1787 — except, for them, white male landowners were the minority in need of protection.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"Most of the founders were skeptical of the public's ability to elect the president directly,\" Berman says. \"So they created this very complicated situation in which electors would elect the president instead of the people electing the president directly.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>In his new book, \u003cem>Minority Rule\u003c/em>, Berman connects the debates and compromises of the country's founders to contemporary politics. He says the founding fathers created a system that concentrated power in the hands of the elite and that today, institutions like the Electoral College and the Senate — designed as a check against the power of the majority — are having much the same effect.\u003c/p>\u003cp>Berman notes that in the country's first presidential election, in 1789, only a small fraction of the population was eligible to vote — and in certain states, voters were only allowed to vote for electors, not the candidates themselves.\u003c/p>\u003cp>Though the right to vote has since been expanded, Berman says the democratic process remains deeply flawed. He points out that in 2000 and again in 2016, the presidential candidate who won the popular vote did not win the electoral vote. Additionally, he says, because the Constitution stipulates that each state gets two senators, regardless of its population, \"smaller, whiter, more conservative states have far more power and representation in the Senate then larger, more diverse, more urban states.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"What we see right now is the same kind of thing, in which a privileged, conservative, white minority is trying to suppress the power of a much more diverse multiracial governing majority,\" Berman says. \"And that's a very dangerous situation for American democracy.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003chr />\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003ch3>Interview highlights\u003c/h3>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the Constitution as a flawed document\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>We venerate the Constitution as a civic religion. I think we would be much greater served to look at the Constitution as a whole document and say, there are some remarkable parts of this document, but there's also some really flawed parts of this document that we still haven't corrected. Because the really remarkable thing is that even as America has democratized in the centuries since — and nobody would argue that America isn't more democratic now than it was back then — some features of the Constitution have become more undemocratic.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the creation of the Electoral College to uphold minority rule \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Most of the founders were skeptical of the public's ability to elect the president directly. They felt like the public would be uninformed, or it would be chosen by the largest states, or would be chosen by free states in a way that would hurt the South. So it's interesting, one of the themes that runs through the book and runs through the founding is that these smaller minorities wanted protection. And when I may say smaller minorities, I don't mean minority groups. I mean the small states wanted protection, the slave states wanted protection, and they felt like they would get that protection in the Electoral College. So they created this very complicated situation in which electors would elect the president instead of the people electing the president directly.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On how representatives from Delaware scuffled the initial plan to have Senate representation being based on population \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>James Madison and other prominent framers wanted the Senate to be based on proportional representation, so they wanted it to be based on population. So larger states like Virginia would have more representation than smaller states like Delaware. But the smaller states rebelled. And there's this amazing moment at the Constitutional Convention where the attorney general of Delaware gets up and he tells the likes of James Madison, if you don't give us the same representation, we're going to find a foreign ally who we're going to join with instead, and we're going to leave the United States of America. And that was a stunning demand. The idea that they would go rejoin England or they would join France instead, if they didn't have the same level of representation, meant that the larger states had no choice but to give in to the demand of the smaller states to ratify the Constitution.\u003c/p>\u003cp>But what Madison worried about is that it would allow what he called a more objectionable minority than ever to control the U.S. Senate, because if the smaller states had the same level of representation as the larger states, that was inevitably going to lead to minority rule. And Madison worried that would get worse as more states join the union. And, of course, that's what's happened today, where the gap between large and small states is dramatically larger than it was back in 1787.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On how the two Senator per state representation affects minority rule \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Just to give you one really \u003ca href=\"https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/06/jd-scholten/about-70-percent-us-residents-expected-live-15-lar/\">stunning stat\u003c/a>, by 2040, 70% of the population is going to live in 15 states with 30 senators. That means that 30% of the country, which is going to be whiter, more rural, more conservative, is going to elect 70% of the U.S. Senate. So the trend in the U.S. Senate is becoming more imbalanced and more undemocratic. And what's really interesting to me is a lot of conservatives want to go back and they want to quote the framers, but they ignore that a lot of the framers, including James Madison, the architect of the Constitution, had grave concerns about some of the institutions they were creating, particularly the structure of the U.S. Senate. \u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>Lauren Krenzel and Joel Wolfram produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Meghan Sullivan adapted it for the web.\u003c/em> \u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. 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This week:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Two nights before the attack, Salman Rushdie dreamed he was stabbed onstage:\u003c/strong> Rushdie was onstage at a literary event in 2022 when he was attacked by a man in the audience: \"Dying in the company of strangers — that was what was going through my mind.\" His new book is \u003cem>Knife\u003c/em>. \u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tierra Whack springs to the forefront of hip-hop creativity on a new album: \u003c/strong>The Philadelphia rapper and singer is known for her playful side, but she widens her subject matter on \u003cem>World Wide Whack, \u003c/em>with emotions ranging from ecstatic happiness to the deepest despair. \u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A first date turns into a whodunit in 'Diarra from Detroit': \u003c/strong>Growing up, when Diarra Kilpatrick watched murder mystery shows with her grandmother, she never saw Black women driving the narrative. 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To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Fresh+Air+Weekend%3A+Salman+Rushdie%3B+Diarra+Kilpatrick%2C+a.k.a.+%27Diarra+From+Detroit%27&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Fresh Air Weekend highlights some of the best interviews and reviews from past weeks, and new program elements specially paced for weekends. Our weekend show emphasizes interviews with writers, filmmakers, actors and musicians, and often includes excerpts from live in-studio concerts. This week:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Two nights before the attack, Salman Rushdie dreamed he was stabbed onstage:\u003c/strong> Rushdie was onstage at a literary event in 2022 when he was attacked by a man in the audience: \"Dying in the company of strangers — that was what was going through my mind.\" His new book is \u003cem>Knife\u003c/em>. \u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tierra Whack springs to the forefront of hip-hop creativity on a new album: \u003c/strong>The Philadelphia rapper and singer is known for her playful side, but she widens her subject matter on \u003cem>World Wide Whack, \u003c/em>with emotions ranging from ecstatic happiness to the deepest despair. \u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A first date turns into a whodunit in 'Diarra from Detroit': \u003c/strong>Growing up, when Diarra Kilpatrick watched murder mystery shows with her grandmother, she never saw Black women driving the narrative. 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To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Fresh+Air+Weekend%3A+Salman+Rushdie%3B+Diarra+Kilpatrick%2C+a.k.a.+%27Diarra+From+Detroit%27&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"featImg":"npr_1245325455"},"npr_1245579935":{"type":"posts","id":"npr_1245579935","meta":{"site":"npr","id":"1245579935"},"slug":"remembering-documentary-filmmaker-eleanor-coppola","audioUrl":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2024/04/20240419_fa_02.mp3?orgId=427869011&topicId=1137&d=1143&p=13&story=1245579935&ft=nprml&f=13","audioDuration":1143000,"title":"Remembering documentary filmmaker Eleanor Coppola","excerpt":"Coppola, who died April 12, was an assistant art director on the 1963 film \u003cem>Dementia 13\u003c/em> when she met, and soon married, its director, Francis Ford Coppola. \u003cem>Originally broadcast in 1992.\u003c/em>","publishDate":1713551235,"modified":1713551235,"format":"standard","content":"\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Remembering+documentary+filmmaker+Eleanor+Coppola&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Remembering+documentary+filmmaker+Eleanor+Coppola&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"authors":["npr_2100593"]},"npr_1245574597":{"type":"posts","id":"npr_1245574597","meta":{"site":"npr","id":"1245574597"},"slug":"remembering-robert-macneil-longtime-host-of-pbs-newshour","audioUrl":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2024/04/20240419_fa_01.mp3?orgId=427869011&topicId=1020&d=1207&p=13&story=1245574597&ft=nprml&f=13","audioDuration":1207000,"title":"Remembering Robert MacNeil, longtime host of PBS 'NewsHour'","excerpt":"During his decades-long career, MacNeil reported on the Kennedy assassination, the Cuban missile crisis and the fall of the Berlin Wall. He died April 12.\u003cem> Originally broadcast in 1986 and 1995.\u003c/em>","publishDate":1713551235,"modified":1713551235,"format":"standard","content":"\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Remembering+Robert+MacNeil%2C+longtime+host+of+PBS+%27NewsHour%27&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Remembering+Robert+MacNeil%2C+longtime+host+of+PBS+%27NewsHour%27&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"authors":["npr_2100593"]},"npr_1245552106":{"type":"posts","id":"npr_1245552106","meta":{"site":"npr","id":"1245552106"},"slug":"the-first-jinx-ended-with-a-hot-mic-murder-admission-part-two-shocks-as-well","audioUrl":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2024/04/20240419_fa_03.mp3?orgId=427869011&topicId=1163&d=374&p=13&story=1245552106&ft=nprml&f=13","audioDuration":374000,"title":"The first 'Jinx' ended with a hot mic murder admission. 'Part Two' shocks as well","excerpt":"\u003cem>The Jinx\u003c/em> ended with Robert Durst, a wealthy man suspected of multiple murders, making self-incriminating statements on a hot mic. \u003cem>Part Two \u003c/em>picks up where the original left off: arrest and conviction.","publishDate":1713533378,"modified":1713551281,"format":"standard","content":"\u003cp>In 2014,\u003cstrong>\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/strong>the producers of\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.thisamericanlife.org/\">\u003cem>This American Life\u003c/em>\u003c/a> presented a podcast called \"\u003ca href=\"https://serialpodcast.org/season-one\">Serial\u003c/a>,\" examining the facts, and loose ends, involving a cold murder case. A year later, HBO followed with a TV equivalent:\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2015/03/16/393352930/does-success-of-hbos-the-jinx-herald-new-form-of-true-crime-tv\"> \u003cem>The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>.\u003c/em> Together, those two wildly popular programs helped ignite the true-crime documentary and podcast craze – a genre that itself became so imitated that it was spoofed by Hulu's\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/08/31/1030965679/in-twisty-only-murders-in-the-building-true-crime-makes-good-neighbors\">\u003cem>Only Murders in the Building\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>The Jinx \u003c/em>recounted the story of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/01/10/1071863707/robert-durst-real-estate-heir-dies-in-prison-at-78\">Robert Durst \u003c/a>– a wealthy man suspected, over many decades, of the murders of several people. The documentary series was made with Durst's cooperation – specifically, several on-camera interviews with filmmaker \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2003/06/24/1308120/filmmaker-andrew-jarecki\">Andrew Jarecki\u003c/a>. The final episode climaxed with some stunning remarks made by Durst while he was alone and talking to himself, still wearing a hot mic. \u003c/p>\u003cp>Durst was arrested the night before HBO televised the final episode of \u003cem>The Jinx\u003c/em>, and later was convicted of murder, and died in prison in 2022. On April 21, Jarecki returns to HBO with a sequel documentary series, \u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two\u003c/em>, which also will stream on Max. I highly recommend you see the original \u003cem>Jinx\u003c/em>, first if you haven't – it's available on most streaming sites. But it's not required.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two \u003c/em>is amazing right from the start, because filmmaker Jarecki never stopped filming. In the original series, it was the accidental recording of Durst, muttering to himself in a bathroom after Jarecki confronted him with a damning piece of physical evidence, that helped lead to the wealthy man's arrest. \u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two \u003c/em>swoops right back in, using phone wiretaps recorded by prosecutors, interviews with investigators and even conversations with witnesses on both sides at the trial – some cooperative, some hostile. \u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two \u003c/em>starts its behind-the-scenes narrative just as the original \u003cem>Jinx \u003c/em>is days away from premiering on HBO. Events are captured in real time, revealing themselves like elements in a thriller. \u003c/p>\u003cp>Halfway through the run of the original \u003cem>Jinx\u003c/em>, Durst, watching from home, is feeling kind of cocky. But then, because of a spelling error in his handwriting that seems to connect him to an anonymous note sent to police after one murder, he shifts gears. FBI agents and Los Angeles district attorneys track him withdrawing large sums of money, then fleeing before the final episode – but as \u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two \u003c/em>shows, he's cleverly tracked down in a New Orleans hotel, and captured.\u003c/p>\u003cp>LA deputy district attorney John Lewin is the first to interrogate to Durst in a recording that we see in \u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two. \u003c/em>What follows is a story with as many twists, turns and shockers as the original. Jarecki is as good an interviewer as he is a director, and what he gets out of his conversations with people – from Durst's friends and lovers to his investigators and prosecutors – is unexpected, and sometimes is almost laughably candid. \u003c/p>\u003cp>As it turns out, there's a great story in the continued telling of the Robert Durst saga\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>– and there are some lessons to be learned, too. Don't commit murder. If you DO commit murder, don't cooperate with a documentary filmmaker. And if you DO kill someone, and talk about it on camera, learn how to spell. \u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=The+first+%27Jinx%27+ended+with+a+hot+mic+murder+admission.+%27Part+Two%27+shocks+as+well&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>In 2014,\u003cstrong>\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/strong>the producers of\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.thisamericanlife.org/\">\u003cem>This American Life\u003c/em>\u003c/a> presented a podcast called \"\u003ca href=\"https://serialpodcast.org/season-one\">Serial\u003c/a>,\" examining the facts, and loose ends, involving a cold murder case. A year later, HBO followed with a TV equivalent:\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2015/03/16/393352930/does-success-of-hbos-the-jinx-herald-new-form-of-true-crime-tv\"> \u003cem>The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>.\u003c/em> Together, those two wildly popular programs helped ignite the true-crime documentary and podcast craze – a genre that itself became so imitated that it was spoofed by Hulu's\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/08/31/1030965679/in-twisty-only-murders-in-the-building-true-crime-makes-good-neighbors\">\u003cem>Only Murders in the Building\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>The Jinx \u003c/em>recounted the story of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2022/01/10/1071863707/robert-durst-real-estate-heir-dies-in-prison-at-78\">Robert Durst \u003c/a>– a wealthy man suspected, over many decades, of the murders of several people. The documentary series was made with Durst's cooperation – specifically, several on-camera interviews with filmmaker \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2003/06/24/1308120/filmmaker-andrew-jarecki\">Andrew Jarecki\u003c/a>. The final episode climaxed with some stunning remarks made by Durst while he was alone and talking to himself, still wearing a hot mic. \u003c/p>\u003cp>Durst was arrested the night before HBO televised the final episode of \u003cem>The Jinx\u003c/em>, and later was convicted of murder, and died in prison in 2022. On April 21, Jarecki returns to HBO with a sequel documentary series, \u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two\u003c/em>, which also will stream on Max. I highly recommend you see the original \u003cem>Jinx\u003c/em>, first if you haven't – it's available on most streaming sites. But it's not required.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two \u003c/em>is amazing right from the start, because filmmaker Jarecki never stopped filming. In the original series, it was the accidental recording of Durst, muttering to himself in a bathroom after Jarecki confronted him with a damning piece of physical evidence, that helped lead to the wealthy man's arrest. \u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two \u003c/em>swoops right back in, using phone wiretaps recorded by prosecutors, interviews with investigators and even conversations with witnesses on both sides at the trial – some cooperative, some hostile. \u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two \u003c/em>starts its behind-the-scenes narrative just as the original \u003cem>Jinx \u003c/em>is days away from premiering on HBO. Events are captured in real time, revealing themselves like elements in a thriller. \u003c/p>\u003cp>Halfway through the run of the original \u003cem>Jinx\u003c/em>, Durst, watching from home, is feeling kind of cocky. But then, because of a spelling error in his handwriting that seems to connect him to an anonymous note sent to police after one murder, he shifts gears. FBI agents and Los Angeles district attorneys track him withdrawing large sums of money, then fleeing before the final episode – but as \u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two \u003c/em>shows, he's cleverly tracked down in a New Orleans hotel, and captured.\u003c/p>\u003cp>LA deputy district attorney John Lewin is the first to interrogate to Durst in a recording that we see in \u003cem>The Jinx – Part Two. \u003c/em>What follows is a story with as many twists, turns and shockers as the original. Jarecki is as good an interviewer as he is a director, and what he gets out of his conversations with people – from Durst's friends and lovers to his investigators and prosecutors – is unexpected, and sometimes is almost laughably candid. \u003c/p>\u003cp>As it turns out, there's a great story in the continued telling of the Robert Durst saga\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>– and there are some lessons to be learned, too. Don't commit murder. If you DO commit murder, don't cooperate with a documentary filmmaker. And if you DO kill someone, and talk about it on camera, learn how to spell. \u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=The+first+%27Jinx%27+ended+with+a+hot+mic+murder+admission.+%27Part+Two%27+shocks+as+well&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"authors":["npr_2101612"],"featImg":"npr_1245557842"},"npr_1245541903":{"type":"posts","id":"npr_1245541903","meta":{"site":"npr","id":"1245541903"},"slug":"journalist-says-were-basically-guinea-pigs-for-a-new-form-of-industrialized-food","audioUrl":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2024/04/20240418_fa_01.mp3?orgId=427869011&topicId=1137&d=2174&p=13&story=1245541903&ft=nprml&f=13","audioDuration":2174000,"title":"Journalist says we're 'basically guinea pigs' for a new form of industrialized food ","excerpt":"\u003cem>Fast Food Nation\u003c/em> author Eric Schlosser says mergers and acquisitions have created food oligopolies that are inefficient, barely regulated and sometimes dangerous. His new documentary is \u003cem>Food, Inc. 2.\u003c/em>","publishDate":1713461892,"modified":1713461892,"format":"standard","content":"\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Journalist+says+we%27re+%27basically+guinea+pigs%27+for+a+new+form+of+industrialized+food+&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Journalist+says+we%27re+%27basically+guinea+pigs%27+for+a+new+form+of+industrialized+food+&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"authors":["npr_856763118"]},"npr_1245330235":{"type":"posts","id":"npr_1245330235","meta":{"site":"npr","id":"1245330235"},"slug":"the-beast-jumps-from-1910-to-2014-to-2044-tracking-fear-through-the-ages","audioUrl":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2024/04/20240418_fa_02.mp3?orgId=427869011&topicId=4467349&d=481&p=13&story=1245330235&ft=nprml&f=13","audioDuration":481000,"title":"'The Beast' jumps from 1910, to 2014, to 2044, tracking fear through the ages","excerpt":"This wildly original adaptation of the Henry James novella \u003cem>The Beast in the Jungle\u003c/em> follows human alienation and anxiety, asking why, in every era, we disengage from life and the people around us.","publishDate":1713457752,"modified":1713461992,"format":"standard","content":"\u003cp>There's no easy way to sum up the work of the brilliant and maddening French writer-director Bertrand Bonello. In recent years, he's made a \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/01/23/798864658/zombi-child-when-the-real-horror-is-colonialism\">zombie thriller\u003c/a> rooted in Haitian voodoo lore and an \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2015/05/07/404217991/saint-laurent-a-radical-man-of-fashion\">unconventional biopic \u003c/a>of Yves Saint-Laurent. His most controversial title, \u003cem>Nocturama\u003c/em>, is a hangout movie about a group of French youth carrying out terrorist attacks around Paris. Bonello's films have a unique way of blurring the intellectual and the aesthetic: Their gorgeous surfaces are often loaded with troubling and provocative ideas.\u003c/p>\u003cp>His latest movie is called \u003cem>The Beast\u003c/em>, and it's one of the best and least classifiable things he's ever done. It's a wildly original adaptation of the 1903 Henry James novella \u003cem>The Beast in the Jungle\u003c/em>, about a man who dwells in a constant state of fear. \u003c/p>\u003cp>James' story is a cautionary tale about the dangers of being too cautious, of not embracing life and love to the fullest. Bonello takes this premise and spins it in several unexpected directions. First, he recasts the hesitant protagonist as a woman, named Gabrielle, played by the wonderful Léa Seydoux. Then he positions her in three different stories, set in three time frames, and suffused with elements of horror, mystery and science fiction. It's easier to follow than it sounds: Even when it's not entirely clear where or \u003cem>when\u003c/em> we are, Bonello's filmmaking is so hypnotic, and Seydoux's performance so subtly mesmerizing, that you can't help getting caught up in the flow.\u003c/p>\u003cp>The first story is the one that most closely resembles the novella. It's 1910, and Gabrielle is a renowned pianist who has a run-in at a Paris salon with a gentleman named Louis, played by the English actor George MacKay. In a setup that evokes the confounding 1961 classic \u003cem>Last Year at Marienbad\u003c/em>, Gabrielle and Louis seem to vaguely recall having met before. There's a clear attraction between them, but Gabrielle, who's married, resists pursuing it. Her restraint will cost her in a climax that coincides with a real-life Parisian catastrophe, the Great Flood of 1910.\u003c/p>\u003cp>The second story takes place in Los Angeles in 2014, and has some of the eerie menace of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/05/19/529081041/25-years-after-twin-peaks-the-odd-genius-of-david-lynch-remains\">David Lynch\u003c/a>'s masterpiece \u003cem>Mulholland Dr.\u003c/em> Gabrielle is now an aspiring model and actor who's been housesitting for a wealthy Angeleno. Rattled by a violent earthquake one morning, she steps outside and runs into Louis, who's now a deeply disturbed incel who's been posting misogynist video rants online.\u003c/p>\u003cp>MacKay is utterly terrifying as this Louis, who's modeled on\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>a man who\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/05/24/315425094/shooting-near-uc-santa-barbara-leaves-3-dead\">killed six people\u003c/a> in 2014 in Isla Vista, Calif. What makes this second segment so chilling is that, unlike in the novella, the protagonist's fear is not unfounded. The beast stalking Gabrielle is all too real.\u003c/p>\u003cp>The third story is the most elusive and intriguing. It's set in 2044, when the world is run by AI. Gabrielle plays a human who, to join the work force, must undergo a process that will rid her of her emotions. This segment, with its shades of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2004/03/19/1779197/bob-mondello-review-unforgettable-eternal-sunshine\">\u003cem>Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, explains the framework of the entire movie: It turns out that the 1910 and 2014 sections are remnants of Gabrielle's past lives, now being purged from her subconscious.\u003c/p>\u003cp>Bonello doesn't tell the stories one at a time; he jumps around and among them. He's tracking the sources of human alienation and anxiety through the ages, asking why, in every era, we find ways to disengage from life and the people around us. The movie is especially insightful about how technology evolves. Each chapter features an artificial human companion of sorts: a line of baby dolls in 1910, a talking doll in 2014, a robot friend in 2044. Along the way, Bonello also asks questions about the future of movies, a medium so overrun with CGI that it's become harder to tell what's real from what isn't.\u003c/p>\u003cp>As grim as \u003cem>The Beast\u003c/em> sounds, it isn't entirely pessimistic about the state of the world. I left the movie feeling disturbed but also enthralled, and strangely reassured by Seydoux's presence in all three stories. The futuristic Gabrielle may have to divest herself of her feelings, but Seydoux's emotions are always within reach. The more unreal her surroundings become, the more hauntingly human her performance feels. \u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27The+Beast%27+jumps+from+1910%2C+to+2014%2C+to+2044%2C+tracking+fear+through+the+ages&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>There's no easy way to sum up the work of the brilliant and maddening French writer-director Bertrand Bonello. In recent years, he's made a \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/01/23/798864658/zombi-child-when-the-real-horror-is-colonialism\">zombie thriller\u003c/a> rooted in Haitian voodoo lore and an \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2015/05/07/404217991/saint-laurent-a-radical-man-of-fashion\">unconventional biopic \u003c/a>of Yves Saint-Laurent. His most controversial title, \u003cem>Nocturama\u003c/em>, is a hangout movie about a group of French youth carrying out terrorist attacks around Paris. Bonello's films have a unique way of blurring the intellectual and the aesthetic: Their gorgeous surfaces are often loaded with troubling and provocative ideas.\u003c/p>\u003cp>His latest movie is called \u003cem>The Beast\u003c/em>, and it's one of the best and least classifiable things he's ever done. It's a wildly original adaptation of the 1903 Henry James novella \u003cem>The Beast in the Jungle\u003c/em>, about a man who dwells in a constant state of fear. \u003c/p>\u003cp>James' story is a cautionary tale about the dangers of being too cautious, of not embracing life and love to the fullest. Bonello takes this premise and spins it in several unexpected directions. First, he recasts the hesitant protagonist as a woman, named Gabrielle, played by the wonderful Léa Seydoux. Then he positions her in three different stories, set in three time frames, and suffused with elements of horror, mystery and science fiction. It's easier to follow than it sounds: Even when it's not entirely clear where or \u003cem>when\u003c/em> we are, Bonello's filmmaking is so hypnotic, and Seydoux's performance so subtly mesmerizing, that you can't help getting caught up in the flow.\u003c/p>\u003cp>The first story is the one that most closely resembles the novella. It's 1910, and Gabrielle is a renowned pianist who has a run-in at a Paris salon with a gentleman named Louis, played by the English actor George MacKay. In a setup that evokes the confounding 1961 classic \u003cem>Last Year at Marienbad\u003c/em>, Gabrielle and Louis seem to vaguely recall having met before. There's a clear attraction between them, but Gabrielle, who's married, resists pursuing it. Her restraint will cost her in a climax that coincides with a real-life Parisian catastrophe, the Great Flood of 1910.\u003c/p>\u003cp>The second story takes place in Los Angeles in 2014, and has some of the eerie menace of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2017/05/19/529081041/25-years-after-twin-peaks-the-odd-genius-of-david-lynch-remains\">David Lynch\u003c/a>'s masterpiece \u003cem>Mulholland Dr.\u003c/em> Gabrielle is now an aspiring model and actor who's been housesitting for a wealthy Angeleno. Rattled by a violent earthquake one morning, she steps outside and runs into Louis, who's now a deeply disturbed incel who's been posting misogynist video rants online.\u003c/p>\u003cp>MacKay is utterly terrifying as this Louis, who's modeled on\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>a man who\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/05/24/315425094/shooting-near-uc-santa-barbara-leaves-3-dead\">killed six people\u003c/a> in 2014 in Isla Vista, Calif. What makes this second segment so chilling is that, unlike in the novella, the protagonist's fear is not unfounded. The beast stalking Gabrielle is all too real.\u003c/p>\u003cp>The third story is the most elusive and intriguing. It's set in 2044, when the world is run by AI. Gabrielle plays a human who, to join the work force, must undergo a process that will rid her of her emotions. This segment, with its shades of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2004/03/19/1779197/bob-mondello-review-unforgettable-eternal-sunshine\">\u003cem>Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, explains the framework of the entire movie: It turns out that the 1910 and 2014 sections are remnants of Gabrielle's past lives, now being purged from her subconscious.\u003c/p>\u003cp>Bonello doesn't tell the stories one at a time; he jumps around and among them. He's tracking the sources of human alienation and anxiety through the ages, asking why, in every era, we find ways to disengage from life and the people around us. The movie is especially insightful about how technology evolves. Each chapter features an artificial human companion of sorts: a line of baby dolls in 1910, a talking doll in 2014, a robot friend in 2044. Along the way, Bonello also asks questions about the future of movies, a medium so overrun with CGI that it's become harder to tell what's real from what isn't.\u003c/p>\u003cp>As grim as \u003cem>The Beast\u003c/em> sounds, it isn't entirely pessimistic about the state of the world. I left the movie feeling disturbed but also enthralled, and strangely reassured by Seydoux's presence in all three stories. The futuristic Gabrielle may have to divest herself of her feelings, but Seydoux's emotions are always within reach. The more unreal her surroundings become, the more hauntingly human her performance feels. \u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27The+Beast%27+jumps+from+1910%2C+to+2014%2C+to+2044%2C+tracking+fear+through+the+ages&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"authors":["npr_536029475"],"featImg":"npr_1245528990"},"npr_1245286544":{"type":"posts","id":"npr_1245286544","meta":{"site":"npr","id":"1245286544"},"slug":"remembering-acclaimed-artist-and-quilter-faith-ringgold","audioUrl":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-13/ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2024/04/20240417_fa_02.mp3?orgId=427869011&topicId=1141&d=546&p=13&story=1245286544&ft=nprml&f=13","audioDuration":546000,"title":"Remembering acclaimed artist and quilter Faith Ringgold","excerpt":"Ringgold, who died April 12, portrayed themes of Black life and culture through her quilts, paintings, dolls and books. Her work was exhibited in many major museums.\u003cem> Originally broadcast in 1991.\u003c/em>","publishDate":1713374207,"modified":1713374207,"format":"standard","content":"\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Remembering+acclaimed+artist+and+quilter+Faith+Ringgold&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Remembering+acclaimed+artist+and+quilter+Faith+Ringgold&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"authors":["npr_2100593"]},"npr_1245264129":{"type":"posts","id":"npr_1245264129","meta":{"site":"npr","id":"1245264129"},"slug":"death-doula-says-life-is-more-meaningful-if-you-get-real-about-the-end","audioUrl":"https://play.podtrac.com/npr-191676894/ondemand.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2024/04/20240417_fa_01.mp3?orgId=427869011&topicId=1033&d=2080&p=13&story=1245264129&ft=nprml&f=13","audioDuration":2080000,"title":"Death doula says life is more meaningful if you 'get real' about the end","excerpt":"Alua Arthur helps people plan for death. A big part of her work is helping them reconcile the lives they lived with the lives they might have wanted. Her memoir is called\u003cem> Briefly Perfectly Human.\u003c/em>","publishDate":1713369900,"modified":1713374543,"format":"standard","content":"\u003cp>As a death doula, Alua Arthur helps people to plan for the end of life and, when the time comes, to let go. She says that while we're conditioned to fear death, thinking and talking about it is instrumental to creating meaningful lives.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"When I'm thinking about my death, I'm thinking about my life very clearly: ... What I value, who I care about, how I'm spending my time,\" Arthur says. \"And all these things allow us to reach the end of our lives gracefully, so that we can die without the fear and the concerns and the worries that many people carry.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>Before becoming a death doula, Arthur worked as attorney — a job she hated. Unhappy and depressed, she took a trip to Cuba where she met a fellow traveler who had terminal uterine cancer. Talking to the woman about death, Arthur realized she needed to make a change.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"Up until then, I was just kind of waiting for my life to write itself without taking any action to make it so,\" she says. \"Thinking about my mortality, about my death, really created action.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>Arthur went on to found \u003ca href=\"https://goingwithgrace.com/\">Going with Grace\u003c/a>, an organization that supports people as they plan for the end of their lives. She says a big part of her work is helping people deal with regret as they reconcile the lives they lived with the lives they might have wanted.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"When folks are grappling with the choices that they've made, my role is to be there with them,\" she says. \"Sometimes the greatest gift that we can offer is grace. ... Part of the reason why I named the business 'Going with Grace' is because of the grace that needs to be present at the end of life, for people to be able to let go of it.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>Arthur's new book is \u003cem>Briefly Perfectly Human: Making an Authentic Life by Getting Real About the End\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003chr />\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Interview highlights \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the death of her brother in law, Peter, in 2013\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>It was the first time I was really faced with this reality that the people that we love might not be here for much longer. It felt really isolating. I knew intellectually that there were a lot of other people that were ill and getting close to ... the end of their lives, but it felt like we were the only ones that felt like we were on this little cancer planet by ourselves, where somebody we loved will soon be dying. And there wasn't some one person that I could turn to to say, \"Help! Just help. I'm lost here,\" or \"Today's really hard,\" or \"How do we navigate this?\" Or \"What do we do with all these medications?\" \"Where can we find smaller sized hospital gowns that will arrive, like in the next days?\" (Because he was losing weight so rapidly) We just needed some help and I mean, practically, but also just somebody to be there to listen, to rely upon, somebody that I could lean on as other people were leaning on me. ...\u003c/p>\u003cp>Many people have already served as death doulas for somebody in their family, and most of us will at some point. Which is why I think it's so important that we all have a functional death literacy, because we live in community. We die in community. At some point, a member of that community is going to need the support. So many of us are going to do it and already have. That's how I learned how to do it is through Peter. I took courses afterwards, but that was the initial spark, the initial practical application of the work itself.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On facing grief \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>The thing about grief is whether or not you want to face it, it's going to find its way through. Either we don't acknowledge it emotionally, and it manifests itself in work, or our relationships, or addiction or some other traumatic event, or it shows up in our bodies as illness. But grief is present. Grief lives in the body and it must be accessed at some point. It will force its way. I think that since we push so many of our sad or difficult emotions away, we don't allow space for grief because it is difficult. But I don't yet know anybody who has died from grieving. It's hard, and yet there is always another day, provided we choose the next day.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the importance of talking to your medical proxy \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>The first thing I encourage people to do is to think about the person who will make the decisions for them in the event that they can't. That is a health care proxy or a medical power of attorney, or just somebody whose job it is to make your decisions. Somebody who would make decisions the way that you would. Not the way that they would, not the things that they want for you, but rather what you would want for yourself. And to begin communicating those desires to your health care proxy, because the communication of that desire is going to open up a beautiful, rich conversation about what you want with your life, how you want your life to eventually end, if that is the way that it's going, and then get you started on the path toward planning for it.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On how not talking about death openly leads to fear and anxiety \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>I think a lot of the old way of thinking is largely responsible for the death phobia that we currently experience in today's culture and society ... where we pretend it's not happening, where bodies are whisked away to funeral homes just moments after the death has occurred. We don't take time with the body. We don't take time to talk about death. We pretend it's not happening until it's too late. That death phobia has caused a real crisis, I think, in this country and in the West overall, where we are living out of relationship with nature and with our mortality, which is ultimately a detriment to us as a culture, but also to us as individuals.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On helping people who are at their worst \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>People are most human when they are dying. They are at their fullest. That means their best and their worst. I think as people are approaching the end, they are grieving as well. They are grieving their own death. They are grieving all the things that they're going to leave. I think we often forget that when somebody in our lives is dying, we are losing them, but they are losing everything and everyone and leaving the only place that they've known consciously. And so that brings about a lot of emotion, and some of it is anger and frustration. And sometimes disease causes personality changes. Sometimes there is some vitriol and sometimes it's just really not pretty. ... If we can be present for their experience, which often is rooted in fear, then I think it allows us to not take it so personally and to give them some grace for what it is that they are experiencing.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On advice for caregivers\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Give yourself plenty of grace. You, I'm sure, are doing amazing because this is really, really hard. ... I wish somebody had said that to me at various points. ... Next, I'd also encourage that people try to take a minute to check in with their bodies and take care of their bodies' needs. Make sure that you're eating to the best that you can ... find pockets of rest where you can. To the extent that you can, speak your needs and let somebody else support you in it. If you have a need, no matter how small it might be, speak it and open the space for somebody to support you in it. And I'd also say reach out for some support if you can, not only to a friend ... but there are plenty of doulas that are willing to support their community members at a free or reduced cost, maybe even a sliding scale. Reach out. There are plenty of resources that are available, but most importantly, if you hear nothing else, please just give yourself some grace for the process. It's tough.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On advice for the moment you sit with a loved one during their death\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Do your best to stay present. Do your best to stay in your body. It can be so confronting that the desire, the urge to disassociate or to distract is huge. And yet, if there's somebody that you loved and cared for, if you could hold thoughts of love and care and honor and gratitude for their lives, that's a really beautiful way to be during that time. And also, as always, give yourself plenty of grace for however it is that you're approaching it. If there is somebody in the room that is having a bigger emotional reaction, ask for their consent before touching or interrupting it or being with it in any way. And not everybody who is crying wants the tears to stop, or needs a tissue to plug them up, or wants a hug. Maybe they want to stay present in their bodies without the imposition as well. ... It's utterly profound. Getting to witness the doorway to existence is a gift and a privilege and a huge honor. And so hopefully we can continue to treat it as such.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>Sam Briger and Thea Chaloner produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Beth Novey adapted it for the web.\u003c/em> \u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Death+doula+says+life+is+more+meaningful+if+you+%27get+real%27+about+the+end&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\"/>\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>As a death doula, Alua Arthur helps people to plan for the end of life and, when the time comes, to let go. She says that while we're conditioned to fear death, thinking and talking about it is instrumental to creating meaningful lives.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"When I'm thinking about my death, I'm thinking about my life very clearly: ... What I value, who I care about, how I'm spending my time,\" Arthur says. \"And all these things allow us to reach the end of our lives gracefully, so that we can die without the fear and the concerns and the worries that many people carry.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>Before becoming a death doula, Arthur worked as attorney — a job she hated. Unhappy and depressed, she took a trip to Cuba where she met a fellow traveler who had terminal uterine cancer. Talking to the woman about death, Arthur realized she needed to make a change.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"Up until then, I was just kind of waiting for my life to write itself without taking any action to make it so,\" she says. \"Thinking about my mortality, about my death, really created action.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>Arthur went on to found \u003ca href=\"https://goingwithgrace.com/\">Going with Grace\u003c/a>, an organization that supports people as they plan for the end of their lives. She says a big part of her work is helping people deal with regret as they reconcile the lives they lived with the lives they might have wanted.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\"When folks are grappling with the choices that they've made, my role is to be there with them,\" she says. \"Sometimes the greatest gift that we can offer is grace. ... Part of the reason why I named the business 'Going with Grace' is because of the grace that needs to be present at the end of life, for people to be able to let go of it.\"\u003c/p>\u003cp>Arthur's new book is \u003cem>Briefly Perfectly Human: Making an Authentic Life by Getting Real About the End\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003chr />\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Interview highlights \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the death of her brother in law, Peter, in 2013\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>It was the first time I was really faced with this reality that the people that we love might not be here for much longer. It felt really isolating. I knew intellectually that there were a lot of other people that were ill and getting close to ... the end of their lives, but it felt like we were the only ones that felt like we were on this little cancer planet by ourselves, where somebody we loved will soon be dying. And there wasn't some one person that I could turn to to say, \"Help! Just help. I'm lost here,\" or \"Today's really hard,\" or \"How do we navigate this?\" Or \"What do we do with all these medications?\" \"Where can we find smaller sized hospital gowns that will arrive, like in the next days?\" (Because he was losing weight so rapidly) We just needed some help and I mean, practically, but also just somebody to be there to listen, to rely upon, somebody that I could lean on as other people were leaning on me. ...\u003c/p>\u003cp>Many people have already served as death doulas for somebody in their family, and most of us will at some point. Which is why I think it's so important that we all have a functional death literacy, because we live in community. We die in community. At some point, a member of that community is going to need the support. So many of us are going to do it and already have. That's how I learned how to do it is through Peter. I took courses afterwards, but that was the initial spark, the initial practical application of the work itself.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On facing grief \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>The thing about grief is whether or not you want to face it, it's going to find its way through. Either we don't acknowledge it emotionally, and it manifests itself in work, or our relationships, or addiction or some other traumatic event, or it shows up in our bodies as illness. But grief is present. Grief lives in the body and it must be accessed at some point. It will force its way. I think that since we push so many of our sad or difficult emotions away, we don't allow space for grief because it is difficult. But I don't yet know anybody who has died from grieving. It's hard, and yet there is always another day, provided we choose the next day.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the importance of talking to your medical proxy \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>The first thing I encourage people to do is to think about the person who will make the decisions for them in the event that they can't. That is a health care proxy or a medical power of attorney, or just somebody whose job it is to make your decisions. Somebody who would make decisions the way that you would. Not the way that they would, not the things that they want for you, but rather what you would want for yourself. And to begin communicating those desires to your health care proxy, because the communication of that desire is going to open up a beautiful, rich conversation about what you want with your life, how you want your life to eventually end, if that is the way that it's going, and then get you started on the path toward planning for it.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On how not talking about death openly leads to fear and anxiety \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>I think a lot of the old way of thinking is largely responsible for the death phobia that we currently experience in today's culture and society ... where we pretend it's not happening, where bodies are whisked away to funeral homes just moments after the death has occurred. We don't take time with the body. We don't take time to talk about death. We pretend it's not happening until it's too late. That death phobia has caused a real crisis, I think, in this country and in the West overall, where we are living out of relationship with nature and with our mortality, which is ultimately a detriment to us as a culture, but also to us as individuals.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On helping people who are at their worst \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>People are most human when they are dying. They are at their fullest. That means their best and their worst. I think as people are approaching the end, they are grieving as well. They are grieving their own death. They are grieving all the things that they're going to leave. I think we often forget that when somebody in our lives is dying, we are losing them, but they are losing everything and everyone and leaving the only place that they've known consciously. And so that brings about a lot of emotion, and some of it is anger and frustration. And sometimes disease causes personality changes. Sometimes there is some vitriol and sometimes it's just really not pretty. ... If we can be present for their experience, which often is rooted in fear, then I think it allows us to not take it so personally and to give them some grace for what it is that they are experiencing.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On advice for caregivers\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Give yourself plenty of grace. You, I'm sure, are doing amazing because this is really, really hard. ... I wish somebody had said that to me at various points. ... Next, I'd also encourage that people try to take a minute to check in with their bodies and take care of their bodies' needs. Make sure that you're eating to the best that you can ... find pockets of rest where you can. To the extent that you can, speak your needs and let somebody else support you in it. If you have a need, no matter how small it might be, speak it and open the space for somebody to support you in it. And I'd also say reach out for some support if you can, not only to a friend ... but there are plenty of doulas that are willing to support their community members at a free or reduced cost, maybe even a sliding scale. Reach out. There are plenty of resources that are available, but most importantly, if you hear nothing else, please just give yourself some grace for the process. It's tough.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On advice for the moment you sit with a loved one during their death\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Do your best to stay present. Do your best to stay in your body. It can be so confronting that the desire, the urge to disassociate or to distract is huge. And yet, if there's somebody that you loved and cared for, if you could hold thoughts of love and care and honor and gratitude for their lives, that's a really beautiful way to be during that time. And also, as always, give yourself plenty of grace for however it is that you're approaching it. If there is somebody in the room that is having a bigger emotional reaction, ask for their consent before touching or interrupting it or being with it in any way. And not everybody who is crying wants the tears to stop, or needs a tissue to plug them up, or wants a hug. Maybe they want to stay present in their bodies without the imposition as well. ... It's utterly profound. Getting to witness the doorway to existence is a gift and a privilege and a huge honor. And so hopefully we can continue to treat it as such.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cem>Sam Briger and Thea Chaloner produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Beth Novey adapted it for the web.\u003c/em> \u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 Fresh Air. 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