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Recent \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/01/25/parents-young-adult-children-and-the-transition-to-adulthood/\">Pew surveys\u003c/a> found that more than 70% of parents with kids between 18 and 34 talk with them multiple times a week — and nearly 60% helped their adult kids financially in the last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A significant portion of adults are now relying on their parents for financial support, career, or relationship advice well into their thirties, Hill said. In many cases, they’re also cohabitating. A \u003ca href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-20/nearly-half-of-young-adults-are-living-back-home-with-parents?embedded-checkout=true\">Harris poll\u003c/a> found that young adults living with their parents has become \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/09/04/a-majority-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-live-with-their-parents-for-the-first-time-since-the-great-depression/\">the most common living arrangement for people under 30 since the Great Depression\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/08/24/americans-more-likely-to-say-its-a-bad-thing-than-a-good-thing-that-more-young-adults-live-with-their-parents/\">view this increased reliance on parents as a sign of overdependence\u003c/a>, suggesting that young adults struggle to become independent — but Hill said this overlooks how the parent-child relationship has evolved over time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We haven’t always associated adulthood with independence and leaving family behind, she explained, pointing to the prevalence of family-owned businesses and multigenerational households up until the early 20th century.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was only after World War II that federal programs like the GI Bill, for instance, gave young people the incentive to buy their own house. And then that led to couples both marrying earlier and being more likely to go live on their own,” she said. “[It] started changing the culture and the way we think of maturity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today’s close-knit relationships between parents and their adult children reflect a return to earlier forms of interdependence. That may not be a bad thing, Hill said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think a lot of times the assumption is that these adult kids are… a drain on their parents who are just hoping to sort of retire and have their own life and not worry about this. But that isn’t really what the research shows,” Hill said. “It seems like both parents and adult kids are benefiting from these relationships.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Social trends toward more “enmeshed” parent-child relationships are the subject of Faith Hill’s recent Atlantic article, \u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2024/07/modern-parenting-grown-children/678942/\">The New Age of Endless Parenting\u003c/a>. Research indicates that the close relationships between parents and adult children are generally positive, with both parties benefiting from mutual support. Young adults who live with their parents often contribute to household income or caregiving, creating a balanced, interdependent relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Forum host Mina Kim \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101906693/endless-parenting-how-our-definition-of-child-rearing-is-changing\">recently spoke with Hill\u003c/a> about her reporting and took a closer look at the benefits and challenges of long-term parenting. KQED listeners also shared their parenting experiences, and licensed psychotherapist Kelly Nguyen gave advice on how to navigate these hyper-connected family relationships.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Economics and the benefits of multigenerational living\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Multigenerational living has grown steadily more common. Hill said this is partly due to higher living and housing costs — meaning that many young adults are now eating, working, and hanging out with their parents every day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While young people in the previous century may have helped their parents work a farm or run a business, she notes that the current model looks more casual and less centered on labor. Children are hanging out with their parents after school or work, talking about life details and watching television shows together. Though economic factors play a role, Hill said many families experience social benefits to multigenerational households.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jeff, a listener, wrote: “My 30-year-old daughter lives with my wife and me. The money she saves on rent enables her to build wealth for herself rather than some landlord. She’s welcome to stay here with us as long as she wants to.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another listener, Marie, shared that the economic downturn in 2020 “benefited us in the sense that we did develop a three-generational household.” Marie’s mother moved in with her and her children — and became a source of support during a stressful time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My mother was parenting my kids in a different way than I was. And she could do things because of her age and wisdom that I couldn’t,” Marie said. “She did a lot of modeling. She didn’t, like, tell them what to do, but she showed them what to do.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike in Cupertino called to share that he lives with his parents now. The money he’s saving by paying a discounted rent to his parents allows him to pay for his own children’s school and life expenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m able to help my two young adult kids pay rent and survive out here,” Mike said. “It’s a good thing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12001910\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12001910\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">“I think a lot of times the assumption is that these adult kids are… a drain on their parents who are just hoping to sort of retire and have their own life and not worry about this. But that isn’t really what the research shows,” \u003cem>Atlantic\u003c/em> staff writer Faith Hill said. “It seems like both parents and adult kids are benefiting from these relationships.” \u003ccite>(Getty Images/MoMo Productions)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>The age of hyperconnectivity\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Even when young adults and their parents are not living together, smartphone and internet access make it possible to stay more connected on a daily basis, Hill said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s common for family members to text each other, sharing “the little things that you’re seeing when you’re in the grocery store, the funny thing that happened at work… or the thing that’s upsetting you that doesn’t feel worth bringing up to other people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Evolving technology has given people an easy way to exchange the “minutiae of everyday lives,” and that has led to opportunities for closer emotional connection, Hill said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My mom and I talk a few times a week, and I love it,” a listener wrote. “Our relationship has actually improved as we share more small details about our lives. We swap Wordle scores and talk about movies, which makes it a lot easier to navigate more difficult conversations within our family when they come up. We’ve got more understanding and rapport than when I was a teenager.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Redefining maturity milestones\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The transition to adulthood is also taking longer, on average, Hill said. Traditional maturity milestones like getting married, having children, or owning a home happen later in life for many young people — if they happen at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People still need some kind of role like that the spouse used to take,” she said. “Some guaranteed support, someone who’s always gonna be there.” For many young adults who are getting married later (or never), this supportive partner has become their parent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The assignment is just different now when you have a kid,” Hill observed. “It used to be more, like, you are supposed to raise your kid well enough so that they are equipped to go out and live their own life independently.” Now, she said, it’s an assignment that takes longer: “A lifelong commitment to being in your kid’s life even when they’re an adult and fostering a deep, meaningful relationship with them that will last.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Building healthy relationship boundaries\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>This life-long parenting assignment can lead to conflict — especially as parents and young adults learn to express themselves and define their independent lives in close quarters, licensed psychotherapist Kelly Nguyen said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you have a close relationship with your parents, [but] they’re completely hovering and, like, getting in the way of other relationships in your life,” honest communication is the best strategy, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nguyen recommended sitting down with your parent or young adult child and approaching a conversation about boundaries with “curiosity.” And embrace humility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Is there room in your relationship… to make space for feelings?” Nguyen encouraged listeners to ask themselves. “Not just positive feelings in the relationship, but is there room to kinda hear about what’s not going well in the relationship? And can there be space to think about that together?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Listeners shared their own challenges — and successes — navigating boundaries with both parents and children in their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have enjoyed a fairly close relationship with my father, who lives just a few miles from me,” one listener wrote. “I noticed, however, that as my own children grow up, new tensions arise in my relationship with my dad, who often blurs the line between being a grandparent and parent to my children. I had to explicitly ask him to let me parent my children while he can be their grandparent. We are still navigating this dynamic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another listener shared their struggle, as a parent, to balance protective instincts with their child’s need for independence, saying: “Our [daughter] is intellectually disabled and still lives at home with us. This is common in such situations, but she does not appreciate that it isn’t as different from typically developed young adults as it was in the past few decades.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nguyen added that “letting go” can be especially difficult on the parenting side of a relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Hopefully, as parents,” she said, “You could… try to learn more [about your child’s life] without telling them what to do or not.” She suggested approaching conversations with the intention of thinking together and sharing ideas — not advice, which may be less appreciated. That subtle distinction “creates more of an open relationship with both parties where it encourages more talking together,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Balancing support with independence\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12001913\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12001913\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Two people sitting on a bench facing the ocean.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1702\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-800x532.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-1020x678.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-1536x1021.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-2048x1361.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-1920x1276.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">“My mom and I talk a few times a week, and I love it,” a listener wrote. “Our relationship has actually improved as we share more small details about our lives. We swap Wordle scores and talk about movies, which makes it a lot easier to navigate more difficult conversations within our family when they come up. We’ve got more understanding and rapport than when I was a teenager.” \u003ccite>(Getty Images/hutchyb)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Not everyone was convinced that increasingly enmeshed parent-child relationships are a good thing. Listener Noel cautioned: “We need to redefine how we see maturity, but also keep in mind how this trend can stifle independence.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Several listeners reflected on the importance of allowing young people to experience new things for themselves and make choices independent of their parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have an incoming college freshman, and it’s just kind of funny but also sad to see other parents of these young adults trying to set up pre-dorm move-in playdate[s] for these kids,” listener Lilly said. “I think parents are sometimes trying to do too much for them… we want to be really close with our kids, our adult children, of course, but [we need to let] them experience these new things and be there for them when they fail, which they invariably will because those are all learning experiences.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Matthew, another listener, agreed. He added, “My experience as an exchange student in Barcelona in 1976 was so different… the expense of long-distance calls at the time [allowed] me to be more autonomous. What are young folks missing out on in the era of constant contact?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another listener, Hari in Fremont, observed that the experience of placing weekly phone calls to one’s parents didn’t apply to all households — even in previous decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Multigenerational households are still kind of the norm in Far East Asia, at least the way I grew up,” Hari said. “And it has a lot of benefits.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside tag=\"forum, kqed-forum\" label=\"More From Forum\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hari went on to share that many of his friends and family members still live in multigenerational homes, and that’s allowed them to plan with their children for big expenses like college tuition or first homes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sharing household labor and caretaking for loved ones was another common theme. Gail wrote that her son and daughter-in-law lived with her during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic, “and we absolutely loved having them with us.” It was practical to share household chores between four adults, she said, and the emotional support during a time of uncertainty was even more valuable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Maggie in Los Altos added that she benefited from a family support network as a single mother. “I married unwisely the first time around,” she said, “And my grandmother took us in and built us a little house behind her house and helped me raise my girls.” Now, Maggie explained, she and her daughters help to care for the woman who supported them when they needed it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sonia in San Francisco said she’s not worried about “freeloader” children being supported by their parents. In fact, she was one: “ I am a first-generation American [and] my brother and I wanted for nothing. Emotionally, physically, financially, our parents made sure that we had all of that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now that her parents are older and in poor health, Sonia said she and her brother have “kicked into high gear” to give back all of “the love and support that they gave us unconditionally.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Forum host Mina Kim recently spoke with Atlantic staff writer Faith Hill about the benefits and challenges of long-term parenting. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1724716194,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":49,"wordCount":2392},"headData":{"title":"Parenting Is Now More Enmeshed and 'Endless' — And It's Not All Bad | KQED","description":"Forum host Mina Kim recently spoke with Atlantic staff writer Faith Hill about the benefits and challenges of long-term parenting. 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Recent \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/01/25/parents-young-adult-children-and-the-transition-to-adulthood/\">Pew surveys\u003c/a> found that more than 70% of parents with kids between 18 and 34 talk with them multiple times a week — and nearly 60% helped their adult kids financially in the last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A significant portion of adults are now relying on their parents for financial support, career, or relationship advice well into their thirties, Hill said. In many cases, they’re also cohabitating. A \u003ca href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-20/nearly-half-of-young-adults-are-living-back-home-with-parents?embedded-checkout=true\">Harris poll\u003c/a> found that young adults living with their parents has become \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/09/04/a-majority-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-live-with-their-parents-for-the-first-time-since-the-great-depression/\">the most common living arrangement for people under 30 since the Great Depression\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/08/24/americans-more-likely-to-say-its-a-bad-thing-than-a-good-thing-that-more-young-adults-live-with-their-parents/\">view this increased reliance on parents as a sign of overdependence\u003c/a>, suggesting that young adults struggle to become independent — but Hill said this overlooks how the parent-child relationship has evolved over time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We haven’t always associated adulthood with independence and leaving family behind, she explained, pointing to the prevalence of family-owned businesses and multigenerational households up until the early 20th century.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was only after World War II that federal programs like the GI Bill, for instance, gave young people the incentive to buy their own house. And then that led to couples both marrying earlier and being more likely to go live on their own,” she said. “[It] started changing the culture and the way we think of maturity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today’s close-knit relationships between parents and their adult children reflect a return to earlier forms of interdependence. That may not be a bad thing, Hill said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think a lot of times the assumption is that these adult kids are… a drain on their parents who are just hoping to sort of retire and have their own life and not worry about this. But that isn’t really what the research shows,” Hill said. “It seems like both parents and adult kids are benefiting from these relationships.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Social trends toward more “enmeshed” parent-child relationships are the subject of Faith Hill’s recent Atlantic article, \u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2024/07/modern-parenting-grown-children/678942/\">The New Age of Endless Parenting\u003c/a>. Research indicates that the close relationships between parents and adult children are generally positive, with both parties benefiting from mutual support. Young adults who live with their parents often contribute to household income or caregiving, creating a balanced, interdependent relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Forum host Mina Kim \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101906693/endless-parenting-how-our-definition-of-child-rearing-is-changing\">recently spoke with Hill\u003c/a> about her reporting and took a closer look at the benefits and challenges of long-term parenting. KQED listeners also shared their parenting experiences, and licensed psychotherapist Kelly Nguyen gave advice on how to navigate these hyper-connected family relationships.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Economics and the benefits of multigenerational living\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Multigenerational living has grown steadily more common. Hill said this is partly due to higher living and housing costs — meaning that many young adults are now eating, working, and hanging out with their parents every day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While young people in the previous century may have helped their parents work a farm or run a business, she notes that the current model looks more casual and less centered on labor. Children are hanging out with their parents after school or work, talking about life details and watching television shows together. Though economic factors play a role, Hill said many families experience social benefits to multigenerational households.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jeff, a listener, wrote: “My 30-year-old daughter lives with my wife and me. The money she saves on rent enables her to build wealth for herself rather than some landlord. She’s welcome to stay here with us as long as she wants to.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another listener, Marie, shared that the economic downturn in 2020 “benefited us in the sense that we did develop a three-generational household.” Marie’s mother moved in with her and her children — and became a source of support during a stressful time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My mother was parenting my kids in a different way than I was. And she could do things because of her age and wisdom that I couldn’t,” Marie said. “She did a lot of modeling. She didn’t, like, tell them what to do, but she showed them what to do.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike in Cupertino called to share that he lives with his parents now. The money he’s saving by paying a discounted rent to his parents allows him to pay for his own children’s school and life expenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m able to help my two young adult kids pay rent and survive out here,” Mike said. “It’s a good thing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12001910\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12001910\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-1363285199_qed-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">“I think a lot of times the assumption is that these adult kids are… a drain on their parents who are just hoping to sort of retire and have their own life and not worry about this. But that isn’t really what the research shows,” \u003cem>Atlantic\u003c/em> staff writer Faith Hill said. “It seems like both parents and adult kids are benefiting from these relationships.” \u003ccite>(Getty Images/MoMo Productions)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>The age of hyperconnectivity\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Even when young adults and their parents are not living together, smartphone and internet access make it possible to stay more connected on a daily basis, Hill said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s common for family members to text each other, sharing “the little things that you’re seeing when you’re in the grocery store, the funny thing that happened at work… or the thing that’s upsetting you that doesn’t feel worth bringing up to other people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Evolving technology has given people an easy way to exchange the “minutiae of everyday lives,” and that has led to opportunities for closer emotional connection, Hill said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My mom and I talk a few times a week, and I love it,” a listener wrote. “Our relationship has actually improved as we share more small details about our lives. We swap Wordle scores and talk about movies, which makes it a lot easier to navigate more difficult conversations within our family when they come up. We’ve got more understanding and rapport than when I was a teenager.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Redefining maturity milestones\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The transition to adulthood is also taking longer, on average, Hill said. Traditional maturity milestones like getting married, having children, or owning a home happen later in life for many young people — if they happen at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People still need some kind of role like that the spouse used to take,” she said. “Some guaranteed support, someone who’s always gonna be there.” For many young adults who are getting married later (or never), this supportive partner has become their parent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The assignment is just different now when you have a kid,” Hill observed. “It used to be more, like, you are supposed to raise your kid well enough so that they are equipped to go out and live their own life independently.” Now, she said, it’s an assignment that takes longer: “A lifelong commitment to being in your kid’s life even when they’re an adult and fostering a deep, meaningful relationship with them that will last.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Building healthy relationship boundaries\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>This life-long parenting assignment can lead to conflict — especially as parents and young adults learn to express themselves and define their independent lives in close quarters, licensed psychotherapist Kelly Nguyen said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you have a close relationship with your parents, [but] they’re completely hovering and, like, getting in the way of other relationships in your life,” honest communication is the best strategy, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nguyen recommended sitting down with your parent or young adult child and approaching a conversation about boundaries with “curiosity.” And embrace humility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Is there room in your relationship… to make space for feelings?” Nguyen encouraged listeners to ask themselves. “Not just positive feelings in the relationship, but is there room to kinda hear about what’s not going well in the relationship? And can there be space to think about that together?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Listeners shared their own challenges — and successes — navigating boundaries with both parents and children in their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have enjoyed a fairly close relationship with my father, who lives just a few miles from me,” one listener wrote. “I noticed, however, that as my own children grow up, new tensions arise in my relationship with my dad, who often blurs the line between being a grandparent and parent to my children. I had to explicitly ask him to let me parent my children while he can be their grandparent. We are still navigating this dynamic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another listener shared their struggle, as a parent, to balance protective instincts with their child’s need for independence, saying: “Our [daughter] is intellectually disabled and still lives at home with us. This is common in such situations, but she does not appreciate that it isn’t as different from typically developed young adults as it was in the past few decades.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nguyen added that “letting go” can be especially difficult on the parenting side of a relationship.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Hopefully, as parents,” she said, “You could… try to learn more [about your child’s life] without telling them what to do or not.” She suggested approaching conversations with the intention of thinking together and sharing ideas — not advice, which may be less appreciated. That subtle distinction “creates more of an open relationship with both parties where it encourages more talking together,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Balancing support with independence\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12001913\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12001913\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Two people sitting on a bench facing the ocean.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1702\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-800x532.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-1020x678.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-1536x1021.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-2048x1361.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/GettyImages-111928895-1920x1276.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">“My mom and I talk a few times a week, and I love it,” a listener wrote. “Our relationship has actually improved as we share more small details about our lives. We swap Wordle scores and talk about movies, which makes it a lot easier to navigate more difficult conversations within our family when they come up. We’ve got more understanding and rapport than when I was a teenager.” \u003ccite>(Getty Images/hutchyb)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Not everyone was convinced that increasingly enmeshed parent-child relationships are a good thing. Listener Noel cautioned: “We need to redefine how we see maturity, but also keep in mind how this trend can stifle independence.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Several listeners reflected on the importance of allowing young people to experience new things for themselves and make choices independent of their parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have an incoming college freshman, and it’s just kind of funny but also sad to see other parents of these young adults trying to set up pre-dorm move-in playdate[s] for these kids,” listener Lilly said. “I think parents are sometimes trying to do too much for them… we want to be really close with our kids, our adult children, of course, but [we need to let] them experience these new things and be there for them when they fail, which they invariably will because those are all learning experiences.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Matthew, another listener, agreed. He added, “My experience as an exchange student in Barcelona in 1976 was so different… the expense of long-distance calls at the time [allowed] me to be more autonomous. What are young folks missing out on in the era of constant contact?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another listener, Hari in Fremont, observed that the experience of placing weekly phone calls to one’s parents didn’t apply to all households — even in previous decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Multigenerational households are still kind of the norm in Far East Asia, at least the way I grew up,” Hari said. “And it has a lot of benefits.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"forum, kqed-forum","label":"More From Forum "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hari went on to share that many of his friends and family members still live in multigenerational homes, and that’s allowed them to plan with their children for big expenses like college tuition or first homes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sharing household labor and caretaking for loved ones was another common theme. Gail wrote that her son and daughter-in-law lived with her during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic, “and we absolutely loved having them with us.” It was practical to share household chores between four adults, she said, and the emotional support during a time of uncertainty was even more valuable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Maggie in Los Altos added that she benefited from a family support network as a single mother. “I married unwisely the first time around,” she said, “And my grandmother took us in and built us a little house behind her house and helped me raise my girls.” Now, Maggie explained, she and her daughters help to care for the woman who supported them when they needed it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sonia in San Francisco said she’s not worried about “freeloader” children being supported by their parents. In fact, she was one: “ I am a first-generation American [and] my brother and I wanted for nothing. Emotionally, physically, financially, our parents made sure that we had all of that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now that her parents are older and in poor health, Sonia said she and her brother have “kicked into high gear” to give back all of “the love and support that they gave us unconditionally.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/12001887/parenting-is-now-more-enmeshed-and-endless-and-its-not-all-bad","authors":["byline_news_12001887"],"programs":["news_18537"],"categories":["news_31795","news_8"],"tags":["news_15","news_5946","news_689"],"featImg":"news_12001908","label":"source_news_12001887"},"news_11844598":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11844598","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11844598","score":null,"sort":[1604101361000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"we-have-a-lot-to-grieve-about-dia-de-los-muertos-in-2020","title":"'We Have a Lot to Grieve About': Día de los Muertos in 2020","publishDate":1604101361,"format":"standard","headTitle":"‘We Have a Lot to Grieve About’: Día de los Muertos in 2020 | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":18537,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>In a year marked heavily by grief — whether wrought by the COVID-19 pandemic, police brutality or state violence — Día de los Muertos carries a renewed power for community healing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And while public officials this fall are discouraging public gatherings, many are encouraging families to find ways to honor loved ones safely from home, like building an altar, sharing stories and playing music in memory of the dead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101880489/pandemic-amplifies-meaning-of-dia-de-los-muertos-this-year\">KQED Forum spoke to Lara Medina\u003c/a>, professor of Chicana and Chicano studies at California State University, Northridge about how many events are finding safe sanctuary from COVID-19 online this year, how the pandemic is sharpening the experience of loss for so many in the Latinx community, and why a society that often prefers to neglect feelings of grief can draw lessons from Día de los Muertos in how to heal, cope and understand death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been lightly edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Carrying Forth Día de los Muertos in 2020\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>The majority of us in this society are experiencing grief either from the pandemic or from police and state violence on brown and Black bodies. So we have a lot to grieve about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And even if we’re not going to be involved in an event, virtually, it’s really important that we do this in our living spaces. Even if we’re \u003cem>alone\u003c/em>, we can do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation='Lara Medina, professor of Chicana and Chicano studies, California State University, Northridge']‘We have a lot to grieve about … it’s really important that we do this in our living spaces. Even if we’re alone, we can do it.’[/pullquote]But creating art is [also] a big part of this tradition. It’s really easy now to just go out to commercial stores and buy ready-made products representing the dead. That really robs us of the practice of creating art for our dead. So I highly recommend that we create art. Simple things. 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And that’s what makes this healing ongoing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation='Lara Medina, professor of Chicana and Chicano studies, California State University, Northridge']‘The healing that happens as we cross that bridge, or as the dead cross that bridge? That’s ongoing. It just doesn’t last the few days that we call Día de los Muertos.’[/pullquote]It’s a beautiful way to teach family history, particularly to young ones who might not have known those who are being remembered in our families. And so through the photographs or the symbols, we can teach that family history to our young ones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If we have a beautiful ofrenda in our homes or in our communal spaces, the next important part of this tradition is to tell the stories about who we’re remembering in front of the ofrenda. And even if you’re alone, you can do this by recalling the memories.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/ChroniclesOfAzu/status/1320520128748945409\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On the Commercialization and Appropriation of Día de los Muertos\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>This is \u003cem>not\u003c/em> a Mexican Halloween. And it’s really important to state that, because still so many people are confused because of the shared image of the skeleton … yes, all people of all ethnicities can participate in this tradition, and receive its healing properties if they really understand what this tradition is about. 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He's also preferred to direct his jabs at President Donald Trump, rather than Cox.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Strictly speaking this will not be a \"League of Women Voters\" type of debate, with strict time limits on answers and equal time for rebuttals. In keeping with the Forum format, it will be a conversation directed by the moderator, KQED Politics and Government Senior Editor Scott Shafer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Promises, promises:\u003c/strong> All candidates make promises, and these two candidates for governor are no different. Whether it's implementing single-payer health care, universal pre-K and after school programs (Newsom) or abolishing state laws like the California Environmental Quality Act and the so-called sanctuary state law (Cox), how will they explain implementing their ambitious agendas?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>After Jerry's Gone, Then What?\u003c/strong>: Both Newsom and especially Cox promise to change direction from where Gov. Jerry Brown has taken the state. Newsom wants more of a course correction while Cox is looking to slam on the brakes and turn the state around. How will they describe those differences?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Health care: \u003c/strong>Newsom was able to consolidate the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11671486/gavin-newsom-walks-fine-line-between-progressive-and-pragmatist-in-governors-race\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">progressive vote\u003c/a> in the primary, in part due to his support for a single-payer healthcare system, which is strongly supported by the California Nurses Association. Still unclear is what steps a Newsom administration would take toward achieving a single-payer system in the state. A gradual timeline could frustrate the most ardent single-payer advocates. Meanwhile, how will Cox frame his plans for healthcare given his party's staunch opposition to the Affordable Care Act?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Prop. Talk: \u003c/strong>Voters in both parties may be looking for guidance from the top of the ticket as they decide on 11 statewide ballot measures. Cox was an early backer of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101867539/election-2018-proposition-6-would-repeal-californias-gas-tax\">Proposition 6\u003c/a>, the November ballot measure to repeal an increase in the state's gas tax, calling it a regressive tax that hurts the working class most. Newsom opposes the repeal, saying it would strip funds for road repair and transportation. The two candidates are in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11682736/rent-control-expansion-will-it-divide-democrats\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">agreement in opposing\u003c/a> another controversial measure, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11684346/possible-rent-control-expansion-sets-off-debates-in-bay-area\">Proposition 10\u003c/a>, which would allow for expanded rent control.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Play Well With Others?\u003c/strong>: Through their speeches, campaign ads and voter appeals for money, both Newsom and Cox have had plenty of negative things to say about each other. Will they continue to draw such personal distinctions while sitting next to each other, or will they modulate their words and criticism?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>The Trump Factor: \u003c/strong>President Trump's \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11669272/president-trump-endorses-john-cox-in-california-governors-race\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">primary endorsement\u003c/a> of Cox helped launch the San Diego businessman into the general election. But it's no surprise given the President's unpopularity in California that the Cox campaign has largely steered the conversation away from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. In fact, Cox's campaign's insistence on sticking to California issues threw a wrench in plans for a nationally televised debate on CNN. How will Cox represent his party in a state where Republicans' share of the electorate has been steadily declining and now is only about 25 percent of registered voters (compared to 44 percent for Democrats and 27 percent for independents)?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For all of this and more, tune in to KQED Forum 88.5 FM today at 10 a.m. to hear from Republican John Cox and Democrat Gavin Newsom in a discussion moderated by host Scott Shafer.\u003c/p>\n\n","disqusIdentifier":"11696736 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11696736","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2018/10/08/what-to-listen-for-in-kqed-forum-governors-debate-on-monday/","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":640,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":6},"modified":1539036461,"excerpt":"California gubernatorial candidates Gavin Newsom and John Cox will appear in their first (and probably only) debate on KQED's Forum program this morning at 10 a.m.","headData":{"twImgId":"","twTitle":"","ogTitle":"","ogImgId":"","twDescription":"","description":"California gubernatorial candidates Gavin Newsom and John Cox will appear in their first (and probably only) debate on KQED's Forum program this morning at 10 a.m.","title":"What to Listen For in Today's KQED Forum Governor's Debate | KQED","ogDescription":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"What to Listen For in Today's KQED Forum Governor's Debate","datePublished":"2018-10-08T08:05:39-07:00","dateModified":"2018-10-08T15:07:41-07:00","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"True","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"what-to-listen-for-in-kqed-forum-governors-debate-on-monday","status":"publish","path":"/news/11696736/what-to-listen-for-in-kqed-forum-governors-debate-on-monday","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/radio/live\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Listen Live\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>California's two gubernatorial candidates, Democrat Gavin Newsom and Republican John Cox are set to square off head-to-head for the first (and probably only) time at 10 a.m. today in a debate on KQED's \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101867627/cox-newsom-face-off-in-final-california-gubernatorial-debate\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Forum\u003c/a> program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To date, it's been a campaign waged largely at arms length, with Newsom, the front-runner in public polling, avoiding face-to-face debates and shifting some of his attention to assisting Democratic congressional candidates. He's also preferred to direct his jabs at President Donald Trump, rather than Cox.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Strictly speaking this will not be a \"League of Women Voters\" type of debate, with strict time limits on answers and equal time for rebuttals. In keeping with the Forum format, it will be a conversation directed by the moderator, KQED Politics and Government Senior Editor Scott Shafer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Promises, promises:\u003c/strong> All candidates make promises, and these two candidates for governor are no different. Whether it's implementing single-payer health care, universal pre-K and after school programs (Newsom) or abolishing state laws like the California Environmental Quality Act and the so-called sanctuary state law (Cox), how will they explain implementing their ambitious agendas?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>After Jerry's Gone, Then What?\u003c/strong>: Both Newsom and especially Cox promise to change direction from where Gov. Jerry Brown has taken the state. Newsom wants more of a course correction while Cox is looking to slam on the brakes and turn the state around. How will they describe those differences?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Health care: \u003c/strong>Newsom was able to consolidate the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11671486/gavin-newsom-walks-fine-line-between-progressive-and-pragmatist-in-governors-race\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">progressive vote\u003c/a> in the primary, in part due to his support for a single-payer healthcare system, which is strongly supported by the California Nurses Association. Still unclear is what steps a Newsom administration would take toward achieving a single-payer system in the state. A gradual timeline could frustrate the most ardent single-payer advocates. Meanwhile, how will Cox frame his plans for healthcare given his party's staunch opposition to the Affordable Care Act?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Prop. Talk: \u003c/strong>Voters in both parties may be looking for guidance from the top of the ticket as they decide on 11 statewide ballot measures. Cox was an early backer of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101867539/election-2018-proposition-6-would-repeal-californias-gas-tax\">Proposition 6\u003c/a>, the November ballot measure to repeal an increase in the state's gas tax, calling it a regressive tax that hurts the working class most. Newsom opposes the repeal, saying it would strip funds for road repair and transportation. The two candidates are in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11682736/rent-control-expansion-will-it-divide-democrats\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">agreement in opposing\u003c/a> another controversial measure, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11684346/possible-rent-control-expansion-sets-off-debates-in-bay-area\">Proposition 10\u003c/a>, which would allow for expanded rent control.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Play Well With Others?\u003c/strong>: Through their speeches, campaign ads and voter appeals for money, both Newsom and Cox have had plenty of negative things to say about each other. Will they continue to draw such personal distinctions while sitting next to each other, or will they modulate their words and criticism?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>The Trump Factor: \u003c/strong>President Trump's \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11669272/president-trump-endorses-john-cox-in-california-governors-race\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">primary endorsement\u003c/a> of Cox helped launch the San Diego businessman into the general election. But it's no surprise given the President's unpopularity in California that the Cox campaign has largely steered the conversation away from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. In fact, Cox's campaign's insistence on sticking to California issues threw a wrench in plans for a nationally televised debate on CNN. How will Cox represent his party in a state where Republicans' share of the electorate has been steadily declining and now is only about 25 percent of registered voters (compared to 44 percent for Democrats and 27 percent for independents)?\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For all of this and more, tune in to KQED Forum 88.5 FM today at 10 a.m. to hear from Republican John Cox and Democrat Gavin Newsom in a discussion moderated by host Scott Shafer.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11696736/what-to-listen-for-in-kqed-forum-governors-debate-on-monday","authors":["227"],"programs":["news_18537"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_20191","news_16","news_23202","news_20737"],"featImg":"news_11694900","label":"news_18537"},"news_11692262":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11692262","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11692262","score":null,"sort":[1537194519000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"gavin-newsom-john-cox-to-debate-on-kqeds-forum","title":"Gavin Newsom, John Cox to Debate on KQED's Forum on Oct. 8","publishDate":1537194519,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Gavin Newsom, John Cox to Debate on KQED’s Forum on Oct. 8 | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":18537,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>California’s two candidates for governor, Democrat Gavin Newsom and Republican John Cox, will debate live in studio on KQED’s Forum program at 10 a.m. on Oct. 8 — the first time they have shared a stage since before the June primary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The radio match-up, moderated by KQED senior politics editor Scott Shafer, may be the only one Newsom and Cox engage in before voters choose one of them to lead the state of nearly 40 million people. It will be conducted in Forum’s normal format — a directed conversation, not subject to strict debate timelines and rules.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Forum won’t take\u003cem> live\u003c/em> callers for the hourlong broadcast, but KQED will solicit questions ahead of time from its audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are pleased to be hosting a debate and discussion about the future of California with the two candidates for governor,” said Holly Kernan, vice president of KQED News. “It’s our mission to support an informed and engaged citizenry. We are very glad the candidates are willing to engage with each other and we hope the conversation is substantive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The program audio will be made available to radio stations that want to use it live or broadcast it later. KQED Radio will rebroadcast the event later that day and make it available online.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11696736/what-to-listen-for-in-kqed-forum-governors-debate-on-monday\">what you should listen for in the KQED Forum Governor’s Debate\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101867627/cox-newsom-face-off-in-final-california-gubernatorial-debate\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">where you can listen live\u003c/a>. 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It will be conducted in Forum’s normal format — a directed conversation, not subject to strict debate timelines and rules.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Forum won’t take\u003cem> live\u003c/em> callers for the hourlong broadcast, but KQED will solicit questions ahead of time from its audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are pleased to be hosting a debate and discussion about the future of California with the two candidates for governor,” said Holly Kernan, vice president of KQED News. “It’s our mission to support an informed and engaged citizenry. We are very glad the candidates are willing to engage with each other and we hope the conversation is substantive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The program audio will be made available to radio stations that want to use it live or broadcast it later. KQED Radio will rebroadcast the event later that day and make it available online.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11696736/what-to-listen-for-in-kqed-forum-governors-debate-on-monday\">what you should listen for in the KQED Forum Governor’s Debate\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101867627/cox-newsom-face-off-in-final-california-gubernatorial-debate\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">where you can listen live\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11692262/gavin-newsom-john-cox-to-debate-on-kqeds-forum","authors":["3239"],"programs":["news_18537"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_20191","news_16","news_20737","news_5946"],"featImg":"news_11657279","label":"news_18537"},"forum_2010101864205":{"type":"posts","id":"forum_2010101864205","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"forum","id":"2010101864205","score":null,"sort":[1520532000000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"forum","term":3},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1520463944,"format":"audio","title":"North Bay Fires Expose Serious Faults with Sonoma County, State Alert Systems","headTitle":"North Bay Fires Expose Serious Faults with Sonoma County, State Alert Systems | KQED","content":"\u003cp>As fires consumed the North Bay last fall, it became clear that California’s emergency response system was ill-equipped to handle calamities of such magnitude. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/fire-investigation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">KQED has conducted a five month long investigation\u003c/a> into what caused the muddled communication and delayed evacuations. We’ll discuss KQED’s findings, shortcomings of current disaster response protocol and potential solutions. And we’ll hear about a recent \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11652293/report-as-wildfires-raced-through-sonoma-warnings-were-slowed-by-confusion-poor-coordination\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">California Office of Emergency Services report\u003c/a> stating that Sonoma County’s technical alert systems were poorly coordinated and lacked “situational awareness.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guests:\u003cbr>\nMarisa Lagos\u003c/strong>, reporter, KQED’s California Politics and Government Desk\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Sukey Lewis\u003c/strong>, reporter, KQED\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>James Gore\u003c/strong>, chair of the board of supervisors, Sonoma County\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Jason Meek\u003c/strong>, survivor of the North Bay fires\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.eventbrite.com/e/forum-on-the-road-santa-rosa-tickets-42584724056\">Join Forum for a Discussion about Fire Recovery in Santa Rosa on April 6\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/fire-investigation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Read the KQED Investigation\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4388831-Cal-OES-Public-Alert-and-Warning-Program.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Read the Cal OES Report\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":153,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":4},"modified":1704431382,"excerpt":"As fires consumed the North Bay last fall, it became clear that California’s emergency response system was ill-equipped to handle calamities of such magnitude. KQED has conducted a five month long investigation into what caused the muddled communication and delayed evacuations. We’ll discuss KQED’s findings, shortcomings of current disaster response protocol and potential solutions. And we’ll hear about a recent California Office of Emergency Services report stating that Sonoma County’s technical alert systems were poorly coordinated and lacked “situational awareness.”","headData":{"twImgId":"","twTitle":"","ogTitle":"","ogImgId":"","twDescription":"","description":"As fires consumed the North Bay last fall, it became clear that California’s emergency response system was ill-equipped to handle calamities of such magnitude. KQED has conducted a five month long investigation into what caused the muddled communication and delayed evacuations. We’ll discuss KQED’s findings, shortcomings of current disaster response protocol and potential solutions. And we’ll hear about a recent California Office of Emergency Services report stating that Sonoma County’s technical alert systems were poorly coordinated and lacked “situational awareness.”","title":"North Bay Fires Expose Serious Faults with Sonoma County, State Alert Systems | KQED","ogDescription":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"North Bay Fires Expose Serious Faults with Sonoma County, State Alert Systems","datePublished":"2018-03-07T15:05:44-08:00","dateModified":"2024-01-04T21:09:42-08:00","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"north-bay-fires-expose-serious-faults-with-sonoma-county-state-alert-systems","status":"publish","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/forum/2018/03/Forum20180308b.mp3","airdate":1520532000,"sticky":false,"path":"/forum/2010101864205/north-bay-fires-expose-serious-faults-with-sonoma-county-state-alert-systems","audioDuration":3134000,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>As fires consumed the North Bay last fall, it became clear that California’s emergency response system was ill-equipped to handle calamities of such magnitude. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/fire-investigation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">KQED has conducted a five month long investigation\u003c/a> into what caused the muddled communication and delayed evacuations. We’ll discuss KQED’s findings, shortcomings of current disaster response protocol and potential solutions. And we’ll hear about a recent \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11652293/report-as-wildfires-raced-through-sonoma-warnings-were-slowed-by-confusion-poor-coordination\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">California Office of Emergency Services report\u003c/a> stating that Sonoma County’s technical alert systems were poorly coordinated and lacked “situational awareness.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guests:\u003cbr>\nMarisa Lagos\u003c/strong>, reporter, KQED’s California Politics and Government Desk\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Sukey Lewis\u003c/strong>, reporter, KQED\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>James Gore\u003c/strong>, chair of the board of supervisors, Sonoma County\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Jason Meek\u003c/strong>, survivor of the North Bay fires\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.eventbrite.com/e/forum-on-the-road-santa-rosa-tickets-42584724056\">Join Forum for a Discussion about Fire Recovery in Santa Rosa on April 6\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/fire-investigation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Read the KQED Investigation\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4388831-Cal-OES-Public-Alert-and-Warning-Program.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Read the Cal OES Report\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/forum/2010101864205/north-bay-fires-expose-serious-faults-with-sonoma-county-state-alert-systems","authors":["11247"],"programs":["forum_3"],"categories":["forum_1623"],"tags":["forum_8","forum_17","forum_599","forum_601","forum_600"],"featImg":"forum_2010101864211","label":"forum_3"},"news_11630011":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11630011","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11630011","score":null,"sort":[1510358852000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"news","term":6944},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1510358852,"format":"standard","disqusTitle":"Former DNC Chair Brazile: 'I Didn't Vote for Hillary or Bernie'","title":"Former DNC Chair Brazile: 'I Didn't Vote for Hillary or Bernie'","headTitle":"News Fix | KQED News","content":"\u003cp>Democratic National Committee Chair Donna Brazile's new book \u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Hacks-Inside-Break-ins-Breakdowns-Donald/dp/0316478512\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\"Hacks\"\u003c/a> claims the party's apparatus tilted the nominating process toward Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in an\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/forum/2017/11/09/ex-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-stokes-controversy-and-fury-with-retelling-of-2016-election/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> interview\u003c/a> with KQED on Friday, Brazile says she didn't cast a ballot for either one of them in the June 14 District of Columbia primary where she votes. By that time, Clinton had wrapped up the nomination.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I didn't want to get involved in the primary,\" Brazile said on KQED's \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/forum/2017/11/09/ex-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-stokes-controversy-and-fury-with-retelling-of-2016-election/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Forum\u003c/a>. \"The last time I got involved in a Democratic primary was Al Gore versus Bill Bradley in 2000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In 2008 they said, 'Donna, you're black you gotta be for Obama. Donna, you're a woman, you gotta be for Hillary.' And you know what I told people? 'I'm getting old and grumpy, I might support John McCain, so back off.'\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When pressed, Brazile said she wrote in the name of D.C.'s representative in Congress, Eleanor Holmes Norton, \"because I'm an activist Democrat.\" Asked if it was a protest vote, Brazile said, \"Hell yeah, it was a protest. I did not want to get involved.\" \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It wasn't clear exactly what she was protesting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time, Brazile was not yet the DNC chair but still a commentator on CNN (the network would later sever ties with her over allegations from a WikiLeaks email that she tipped off Clinton to topics that might be raised by voters in a town hall meeting aired by CNN.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The former DNC chair's response was unexpected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's out of the ordinary,\" said long-time Democratic strategist Darry Sragow. \"Not bad out of the ordinary. I would be loath to make a value judgment.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consultant Ace Smith, who worked for the Clinton campaign in California, was not terribly surprised by Brazile's revelation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It’s a free country,\" Smith said. \"She’s raising legitimate questions [about the Democratic party] and people should stop carping about it and do something about it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sragow noted Brazile's comfort in \"plotting her own course.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"On some level I find that admirable,\" Sragow said. \"But if you march to your own drum too often, you end up on the margins.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","disqusIdentifier":"11630011 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11630011","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/11/10/former-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-i-didnt-vote-for-hillary-or-bernie-in-the-primary/","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":375,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":15},"modified":1510377051,"excerpt":"Donna Brazile's book has reopened old wounds between supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, and created some new ones.","headData":{"twImgId":"","twTitle":"","ogTitle":"","ogImgId":"","twDescription":"","description":"Donna Brazile's book has reopened old wounds between supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, and created some new ones.","title":"Former DNC Chair Brazile: 'I Didn't Vote for Hillary or Bernie' | KQED","ogDescription":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Former DNC Chair Brazile: 'I Didn't Vote for Hillary or Bernie'","datePublished":"2017-11-10T16:07:32-08:00","dateModified":"2017-11-10T21:10:51-08:00","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"True","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"former-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-i-didnt-vote-for-hillary-or-bernie-in-the-primary","status":"publish","path":"/news/11630011/former-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-i-didnt-vote-for-hillary-or-bernie-in-the-primary","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Democratic National Committee Chair Donna Brazile's new book \u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Hacks-Inside-Break-ins-Breakdowns-Donald/dp/0316478512\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\"Hacks\"\u003c/a> claims the party's apparatus tilted the nominating process toward Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in an\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/forum/2017/11/09/ex-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-stokes-controversy-and-fury-with-retelling-of-2016-election/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> interview\u003c/a> with KQED on Friday, Brazile says she didn't cast a ballot for either one of them in the June 14 District of Columbia primary where she votes. By that time, Clinton had wrapped up the nomination.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I didn't want to get involved in the primary,\" Brazile said on KQED's \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/forum/2017/11/09/ex-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-stokes-controversy-and-fury-with-retelling-of-2016-election/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Forum\u003c/a>. \"The last time I got involved in a Democratic primary was Al Gore versus Bill Bradley in 2000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In 2008 they said, 'Donna, you're black you gotta be for Obama. Donna, you're a woman, you gotta be for Hillary.' And you know what I told people? 'I'm getting old and grumpy, I might support John McCain, so back off.'\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When pressed, Brazile said she wrote in the name of D.C.'s representative in Congress, Eleanor Holmes Norton, \"because I'm an activist Democrat.\" Asked if it was a protest vote, Brazile said, \"Hell yeah, it was a protest. I did not want to get involved.\" \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It wasn't clear exactly what she was protesting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time, Brazile was not yet the DNC chair but still a commentator on CNN (the network would later sever ties with her over allegations from a WikiLeaks email that she tipped off Clinton to topics that might be raised by voters in a town hall meeting aired by CNN.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The former DNC chair's response was unexpected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's out of the ordinary,\" said long-time Democratic strategist Darry Sragow. \"Not bad out of the ordinary. I would be loath to make a value judgment.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Consultant Ace Smith, who worked for the Clinton campaign in California, was not terribly surprised by Brazile's revelation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It’s a free country,\" Smith said. \"She’s raising legitimate questions [about the Democratic party] and people should stop carping about it and do something about it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sragow noted Brazile's comfort in \"plotting her own course.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"On some level I find that admirable,\" Sragow said. \"But if you march to your own drum too often, you end up on the margins.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11630011/former-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-i-didnt-vote-for-hillary-or-bernie-in-the-primary","authors":["255"],"programs":["news_18537","news_6944"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"featImg":"news_11630024","label":"news_6944"},"news_11618281":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11618281","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"news","id":"11618281","score":null,"sort":[1506037425000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"news","term":72},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1506037425,"format":"audio","disqusTitle":"From the Bastille to Berkeley: A Complex History of 'Provocateurs'","title":"From the Bastille to Berkeley: A Complex History of 'Provocateurs'","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","content":"\u003cp>UC Berkeley has become a prime target in what linguist Geoff Nunberg calls a “provocation cycle.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It began heating up again when Milo Yiannopoulos proclaimed that he's returning to the campus, and possibly bringing Steve Bannon and Ann Coulter with him. All three seem to delight in offending and provoking the political left, which has led countless reporters and commentators to call them \"provocateurs.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Being labeled a provocateur is far from a bad thing in this age of outrage. It’s a quick way to earn some time on TV and pad the bank account with speaking fees and book deals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like a lot of words imported from French, it's got a certain panache, or cachet. Words like entrepreneur, raconteur, restaurateur and connoisseur all sound a lot more distinguished than their English counterparts: middleman, storyteller, restaurant owner and expert.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Provocateur is certainly sexier than provocator. Yes, that’s a word too, but hardly anyone uses it anymore. Katherine Connor Martin, head of US dictionaries at the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), did a scan of texts and found that provocateur is about 100 times more common than provocator.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nunberg, who teaches at UC Berkeley, became interested in the term when speakers like Yiannopoulos began coming to campus earlier this year. He said it first appeared around the time of the French Revolution at the end of the 18th century.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back then, the full term was “agent provocateur.” It referred to people the police or army would hire and send to infiltrate activist groups. The agent provocateurs would incite the activists to commit violence, which would create a pretext for authorities to crack down and arrest people.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'The history of provocateur is largely written in the history of the European left.' \u003ccite>UC Berkeley linguist Geoff Nunberg\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Throughout history, agent provocateurs have most often infiltrated groups on the left end of the political spectrum. Nunberg said \"the history of provocateur is largely written in the history of the European left.” The classic literary example is the agent hired to blow up an observatory in Joseph Conrad’s aptly titled novel, \"The Secret Agent: A Simple Tale.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Agent provocateurs went to work in the United States as well. According to Martin from the OED, the first documented use of “agent provocateur” in an English text was in 1831. Over the decades it was shortened to just “provocateur.” Here’s a prime example from \"They Call Me Carpenter,\" a book written by Upton Sinclair in 1922: “The poor devils who went on strike were locked out of the factories ... and their policies bedeviled by provocateurs.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Leftists, as you might imagine, did not love agent provocateurs. Around the time that Sinclair was writing, the term had become a nasty slur among people like anarchist Emma Goldman. “Emma Goldman says it's the worst word there is, worse even than a traitor and/or spy,” Nunberg said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the decades, sentiment around the word slowly changed, evolving from negative to positive. By the 1980s, provocateur had become a term of praise for those who provoked like-minded people to reconsider their assumptions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The paradigmatic provocateur of the 1980s, according to Nunberg, was the essayist Christopher Hitchens. “He drove people crazy,” Nunberg said, “but the people he drove crazy were people of his own tribe, so to speak.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the '80s we have begun to retroactively apply the term to people in the past, mainly writers. The label has been given as a mark of distinction to the likes of Dr. Seuss, D.H. Lawrence and George Orwell. It is particularly ironic to herald Orwell as a provocateur. In his lifetime, Soviet newspapers used that exact word to slander him for how he depicted them in \"Animal Farm.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent years, the term has shifted yet again. Now, you no longer have to provoke your own tribe, or really anyone, to think. “It's used for anybody who flouts public opinion or tries to kindle a sense of indignation or outrage,\" Nunberg said,\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Political provocateurs have been in the news lately, but the term applies to all sorts of people across the culture. There are \"pop provocateurs,\" “punk provocateurs,” “rock provocateurs,” “fashion provocateurs” and “cultural provocateurs.” After “agent provocateur,” pop, punk, rock, fashion and cultural are the most common words paired with provocateur, according to Martin with the OED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You see the word provocateur appended to the names of everyone from NBA commentator Charles Barkley to singer Miley Cyrus. Not to mention President Trump and, in another twist of irony, Meryl Streep, who earned the label for calling out the president.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">'Ann Coulter makes a tidy living saying things calculated to outrage the left for the delectation of the right.' \u003ccite>UC Berkeley linguist Geoff Nunberg\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>In the realm of politics, or rather the kind of “political” commentary that dominates 24-hour news, provocation has become a full-time career. Nunberg said, “Ann Coulter makes a tidy living saying things calculated to outrage the left for the delectation of the right.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To be a provocateur you need people who get provoked, which has been no problem at UC Berkeley. When Yiannopoulos last tried to speak at the campus, protesters came out in opposition to his racist, misogynistic and anti-transgender rhetoric.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nunberg said those who come to protest in a way that gets media attention, particularly the more aggressive anti-fascist groups, help bring the spotlight that the Yiannopouloses and Coulters of the world crave. “In the larger picture of things they round the provocation cycle,” Nunberg said. “You want provocation, we will be provoked.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The media also play a key part in the provocation cycle, by continuing to cover the reactions to these provocateurs. Because of our current political climate, Nunberg said, we probably won't stop hearing the word “provocateur” anytime soon.\u003c/p>\n\n","disqusIdentifier":"11618281 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11618281","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/09/21/from-the-bastille-to-berkeley-a-complex-history-of-provocateurs/","stats":{"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"hasAudio":false,"hasPolis":false,"wordCount":1025,"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"paragraphCount":22},"modified":1519339201,"excerpt":"The \"provocateur\" label has become a lucrative brand for the likes of Milo Yiannopoulos. But the term used to mean something very different.","headData":{"twImgId":"","twTitle":"","ogTitle":"","ogImgId":"","twDescription":"","description":"The "provocateur" label has become a lucrative brand for the likes of Milo Yiannopoulos. 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All three seem to delight in offending and provoking the political left, which has led countless reporters and commentators to call them \"provocateurs.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Being labeled a provocateur is far from a bad thing in this age of outrage. It’s a quick way to earn some time on TV and pad the bank account with speaking fees and book deals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like a lot of words imported from French, it's got a certain panache, or cachet. Words like entrepreneur, raconteur, restaurateur and connoisseur all sound a lot more distinguished than their English counterparts: middleman, storyteller, restaurant owner and expert.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Provocateur is certainly sexier than provocator. Yes, that’s a word too, but hardly anyone uses it anymore. Katherine Connor Martin, head of US dictionaries at the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), did a scan of texts and found that provocateur is about 100 times more common than provocator.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nunberg, who teaches at UC Berkeley, became interested in the term when speakers like Yiannopoulos began coming to campus earlier this year. He said it first appeared around the time of the French Revolution at the end of the 18th century.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back then, the full term was “agent provocateur.” It referred to people the police or army would hire and send to infiltrate activist groups. The agent provocateurs would incite the activists to commit violence, which would create a pretext for authorities to crack down and arrest people.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'The history of provocateur is largely written in the history of the European left.' \u003ccite>UC Berkeley linguist Geoff Nunberg\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Throughout history, agent provocateurs have most often infiltrated groups on the left end of the political spectrum. Nunberg said \"the history of provocateur is largely written in the history of the European left.” The classic literary example is the agent hired to blow up an observatory in Joseph Conrad’s aptly titled novel, \"The Secret Agent: A Simple Tale.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Agent provocateurs went to work in the United States as well. According to Martin from the OED, the first documented use of “agent provocateur” in an English text was in 1831. Over the decades it was shortened to just “provocateur.” Here’s a prime example from \"They Call Me Carpenter,\" a book written by Upton Sinclair in 1922: “The poor devils who went on strike were locked out of the factories ... and their policies bedeviled by provocateurs.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Leftists, as you might imagine, did not love agent provocateurs. Around the time that Sinclair was writing, the term had become a nasty slur among people like anarchist Emma Goldman. “Emma Goldman says it's the worst word there is, worse even than a traitor and/or spy,” Nunberg said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the decades, sentiment around the word slowly changed, evolving from negative to positive. By the 1980s, provocateur had become a term of praise for those who provoked like-minded people to reconsider their assumptions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The paradigmatic provocateur of the 1980s, according to Nunberg, was the essayist Christopher Hitchens. “He drove people crazy,” Nunberg said, “but the people he drove crazy were people of his own tribe, so to speak.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the '80s we have begun to retroactively apply the term to people in the past, mainly writers. The label has been given as a mark of distinction to the likes of Dr. Seuss, D.H. Lawrence and George Orwell. It is particularly ironic to herald Orwell as a provocateur. In his lifetime, Soviet newspapers used that exact word to slander him for how he depicted them in \"Animal Farm.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent years, the term has shifted yet again. Now, you no longer have to provoke your own tribe, or really anyone, to think. “It's used for anybody who flouts public opinion or tries to kindle a sense of indignation or outrage,\" Nunberg said,\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Political provocateurs have been in the news lately, but the term applies to all sorts of people across the culture. There are \"pop provocateurs,\" “punk provocateurs,” “rock provocateurs,” “fashion provocateurs” and “cultural provocateurs.” After “agent provocateur,” pop, punk, rock, fashion and cultural are the most common words paired with provocateur, according to Martin with the OED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You see the word provocateur appended to the names of everyone from NBA commentator Charles Barkley to singer Miley Cyrus. Not to mention President Trump and, in another twist of irony, Meryl Streep, who earned the label for calling out the president.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">'Ann Coulter makes a tidy living saying things calculated to outrage the left for the delectation of the right.' \u003ccite>UC Berkeley linguist Geoff Nunberg\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>In the realm of politics, or rather the kind of “political” commentary that dominates 24-hour news, provocation has become a full-time career. Nunberg said, “Ann Coulter makes a tidy living saying things calculated to outrage the left for the delectation of the right.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To be a provocateur you need people who get provoked, which has been no problem at UC Berkeley. When Yiannopoulos last tried to speak at the campus, protesters came out in opposition to his racist, misogynistic and anti-transgender rhetoric.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nunberg said those who come to protest in a way that gets media attention, particularly the more aggressive anti-fascist groups, help bring the spotlight that the Yiannopouloses and Coulters of the world crave. “In the larger picture of things they round the provocation cycle,” Nunberg said. “You want provocation, we will be provoked.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The media also play a key part in the provocation cycle, by continuing to cover the reactions to these provocateurs. Because of our current political climate, Nunberg said, we probably won't stop hearing the word “provocateur” anytime soon.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11618281/from-the-bastille-to-berkeley-a-complex-history-of-provocateurs","authors":["253"],"programs":["news_18537","news_72"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_18797","news_17041","news_17597"],"featImg":"news_11297887","label":"news_72"},"futureofyou_295997":{"type":"posts","id":"futureofyou_295997","meta":{"index":"posts_1716263798","site":"futureofyou","id":"295997","score":null,"sort":[1481216406000]},"parent":0,"labelTerm":{"site":"futureofyou"},"blocks":[],"publishDate":1481216406,"format":"standard","disqusTitle":"Billions at Stake: UC Berkeley's Day in Court vs. Harvard/MIT Over CRISPR","title":"Billions at Stake: UC Berkeley's Day in Court vs. Harvard/MIT Over CRISPR","headTitle":"KQED Future of You | KQED Science","content":"\u003cp>It's called CRISPR-Cas9 — one of the century's biggest scientific breakthroughs in genetic engineering\u003cem> — \u003c/em>and now three major universities are battling it out in court over who owns a patent on the revolutionary technology.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday, UC Berkeley lawyers defended the university's claim to patent\u003cem> \u003c/em>CRISPR in a dispute that went before a panel of judges at the U.S Patent and Trademark headquarters in Alexandria, Virginia\u003cem>. \u003c/em>The Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard is also claiming it owns the rights to CRISPR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CRISPR is a gene-editing tool that allows scientists to manipulate DNA by snipping out part of a mutated gene and substituting a healthy gene. It has huge implications \u003cem>—\u003c/em> from yielding new cancer therapies to correcting genetic disorders to modifying plant and animal DNA.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Editing DNA Using CRISPR\u003c/h3>\n\u003cdiv class=\"row textColumnWidth\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"small-12 large-4 columns\">\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-296418\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/futureofyou/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR01.png\" alt=\"crispr01\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR01.png 750w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR01-160x285.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR01-240x427.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR01-375x667.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR01-520x925.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\">\u003c/div>\n\u003cdiv class=\"small-12 large-4 columns\">\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-296419\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/futureofyou/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR02.png\" alt=\"crispr02\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR02.png 750w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR02-160x285.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR02-240x427.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR02-375x667.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR02-520x925.png 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\">\u003c/div>\n\u003cdiv class=\"small-12 large-4 columns large-4 columns\">\u003cimg class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-296420\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/futureofyou/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR_03_Bug.jpg\" alt=\"crispr_03_bug\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR_03_Bug.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR_03_Bug-160x285.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/13/2016/12/CRISPR_03_Bug-240x427.jpg 240w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px\">\u003c/div>\n\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\"If Berkeley wins it means they’re essentially going to control which commercial companies are able to develop the technology going forward and that will be a huge change in the status quo,\" says New York Law School professor says Jake Sherkow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sherkow says billions of dollars could be at stake. Companies that use the technology will likely need to pay royalties to whomever owns it -- Broad or Berkeley. Many start-ups including \u003ca href=\"https://www.addgene.org/\" target=\"_blank\">Addgene\u003c/a> -- a biotech non-profit working with Broad -- are already using CRISPR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both UC Berkeley and the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard claim to have invented the technology and filed for patents.\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Berkeley filed first and even though Broad filed later, Broad fast-tracked its application, which was approved while Berkeley's was still pending. This is what Berkeley is contesting -- the fact that Broad's application was approved while its own was still under review.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court has already ruled that the patent will be issued to the scientists who prove the CRISPR technology works in transforming the genes of a particular kind of cell -- \u003cem>eukaryotic\u003c/em> cells, those found in plants and animals, including humans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In their research, Broad Institute bioengineer Feng Zhang and his team used eukaryotic cells, whereas UC Berkeley biochemist Jennifer Doudna used bacteria cells, not eukaryotic cells.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, Doudna argues that UC Berkeley has a right to the patent because any skilled scientist could apply her team's research technique to eukaryotic cells.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Berkeley's lawyers faced more intense questioning on Tuesday than the Broad's.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It does speak to some of the judges' skepticism of the University of California's claims,\" says Sherkow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The patent judges could make a decision by February but Sherkow says whichever side loses will likely appeal. 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Companies that use the technology will likely need to pay royalties to whomever owns it -- Broad or Berkeley. Many start-ups including \u003ca href=\"https://www.addgene.org/\" target=\"_blank\">Addgene\u003c/a> -- a biotech non-profit working with Broad -- are already using CRISPR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both UC Berkeley and the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard claim to have invented the technology and filed for patents.\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Berkeley filed first and even though Broad filed later, Broad fast-tracked its application, which was approved while Berkeley's was still pending. This is what Berkeley is contesting -- the fact that Broad's application was approved while its own was still under review.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court has already ruled that the patent will be issued to the scientists who prove the CRISPR technology works in transforming the genes of a particular kind of cell -- \u003cem>eukaryotic\u003c/em> cells, those found in plants and animals, including humans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In their research, Broad Institute bioengineer Feng Zhang and his team used eukaryotic cells, whereas UC Berkeley biochemist Jennifer Doudna used bacteria cells, not eukaryotic cells.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, Doudna argues that UC Berkeley has a right to the patent because any skilled scientist could apply her team's research technique to eukaryotic cells.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Berkeley's lawyers faced more intense questioning on Tuesday than the Broad's.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It does speak to some of the judges' skepticism of the University of California's claims,\" says Sherkow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The patent judges could make a decision by February but Sherkow says whichever side loses will likely appeal. 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